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    Re: U.S. Marines Urinate On Dead Bodies In Afghanistan

    Quote Originally Posted by X Factor View Post
    I think our troops deserve more of the benefit of our understanding than the Taliban.
    And, once again, they deserve understanding from everyone. That's not the same as excusal or dismissal.

    My support is not contingent on our troops behaving perfectly.
    Neither is "support" a synonym of "non-criticism," which is something that you're apparently having a hard time understanding. The vast majority of us support the troops either way. But when they do something wrong, we recognize that.

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    Re: U.S. Marines Urinate On Dead Bodies In Afghanistan

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    Yes, because I do not see a difference. Both are desecrations of the dead. If an enemy soldier pissed on one of our troops, I would have the same pissed off reaction I would have if they dragged him through the streets.
    So, your reaction to what these Marines did is exactly the same as it was when our soldiers were drug through Mogadishu (however you spell that)? I'm curious, what if these Taliban had been burried first, then our soldiers peed on the grave. Still just as bad?
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    Re: U.S. Marines Urinate On Dead Bodies In Afghanistan

    Quote Originally Posted by X Factor View Post
    So, your reaction to what these Marines did is exactly the same as it was when our soldiers were drug through Mogadishu (however you spell that)? I'm curious, what if these Taliban had been burried first, then our soldiers peed on the grave. Still just as bad?
    Why are you trying so hard to evade the initial question? You made a comparison. Why won't you defend that comparison?
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    Re: U.S. Marines Urinate On Dead Bodies In Afghanistan

    Quote Originally Posted by ThePlayDrive View Post


    Vietnam was a long time ago. I can't imagine people would rehash that over and over again except in history classes.
    Doesn't change a damn thing that happened there. War is war, whether the calendar says 1971 or 2011.

    Apparently you don't know any Vietnam vets. I do. I had one rehash it to me in such detail he was tearing up in front of me. He would laugh at these guys getting pissed on after they were shot, vs. his guys who were mutilated while they were still alive.

    You really have no clue do you?

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    Re: U.S. Marines Urinate On Dead Bodies In Afghanistan

    Quote Originally Posted by X Factor View Post
    Yes, some of you have suggested that you're actually quicker to condemn our troops for their actions than those of the Taliban (or whoever). I am just not that way. /shrug
    Well, my mother was quicker to condemn anything my siblings and I did wrong that she was to condemn a common criminal. I assume that was because she expected more from us than them.

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    Re: U.S. Marines Urinate On Dead Bodies In Afghanistan

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    Yes, because I do not see a difference. Both are desecrations of the dead. If an enemy soldier pissed on one of our troops, I would have the same pissed off reaction I would have if they dragged him through the streets.
    Everyone has degrees of disgust or outrage and we as humans have the ability to attribute severity between horrific events. It's not black or white, there are many shades of gray but you're telling everyone you don't see gray.
    I think if Thomas Jefferson were looking down, the author of the Bill of Rights, on whats being proposed here, hed agree with it. He would agree that the First Amendment cannot be absolute. - Chuck Schumer (D). Yet, Madison and Mason wrote the Bill of Rights, according to Sheila Jackson Lee, 400 years ago. Yup, it's a fact.


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    Re: U.S. Marines Urinate On Dead Bodies In Afghanistan

    Quote Originally Posted by dontworrybehappy View Post
    Doesn't change a damn thing that happened there. War is war, whether the calendar says 1971 or 2011.
    No it doesn't, but it does explain why people don't condemn the Viet Cong often which is what you were talking about.

    Apparently you don't know any Vietnam vets. I do.
    Actually, two of my uncles are Vietnam vets. Try harder.

    I had one rehash it to me in such detail he was tearing up in front of me. He would laugh at these guys getting pissed on after they were shot, vs. his guys who were mutilated while they were still alive.

    You really have no clue do you?
    You didn't address anything I said. Please do that. Actually, don't. It would be a waste of time.

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    Re: U.S. Marines Urinate On Dead Bodies In Afghanistan

    Quote Originally Posted by Ockham View Post
    Everyone has degrees of disgust or outrage and we as humans have the ability to attribute severity between horrific events. It's not black or white, there are many shades of gray but you're telling everyone you don't see gray.
    Not exactly, no. I am saying I do not see the gray in this instance and asking why what seems black and white to me isn't. What makes the difference?
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    Re: U.S. Marines Urinate On Dead Bodies In Afghanistan

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    Not exactly, no. I am saying I do not see the gray in this instance and asking why what seems black and white to me isn't. What makes the difference?
    I see a difference because I do not see urinating on dead Taliban soldiers as being as offensive as hooking these dead Taliban soldiers behind a Stryker or HumVee and dragging them through Afghanistan towns and finally hanging them up on a bridge or cliff somewhere.

    The question is why don't you see the difference?
    I think if Thomas Jefferson were looking down, the author of the Bill of Rights, on whats being proposed here, hed agree with it. He would agree that the First Amendment cannot be absolute. - Chuck Schumer (D). Yet, Madison and Mason wrote the Bill of Rights, according to Sheila Jackson Lee, 400 years ago. Yup, it's a fact.


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    Re: U.S. Marines Urinate On Dead Bodies In Afghanistan

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    Why are you trying so hard to evade the initial question? You made a comparison. Why won't you defend that comparison?
    Ok, I think it's worse to strip the bodies, inflict more damage on them and drag them around or hang them where everyone else can see them, than it is to have 4 guys pee on a body. Far worse things are going to happen to that body just by being buried in the ground.

    The truth is though, I'm far less concerned with how people treat dead bodies than how they treat live people.

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