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    Re: U.S. Marines Urinate On Dead Bodies In Afghanistan

    Quote Originally Posted by MaggieD View Post
    Oh, come on. The fact is no one on this post has complained about them killing them. No one's said, as you just did, "Very big no-no." No one has called killing them atrocious or deplorable or wrong or (pick-your-adjective). Greenville is correct. The only problem we seem to have is their actions afterwards. If that doesn't make one stop and think how we value lives in war, well...
    First of all, it's not true that no one has had a problem with the killing. I remember a couple of posters saying that early on in thread - so that screws up about 3/4 of your post. Second, the criticism of the Marines in the video is based on disapproval of their gratuitous unprofessional actions. It is not based on general morality or a philosophy of humanity. Their job is to kill to protect themselves and their country - that's not unprofessional or gratuitous. So no, Greenville does not make a valid point.

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    Re: U.S. Marines Urinate On Dead Bodies In Afghanistan

    Quote Originally Posted by Dpetty View Post
    So your grandstanding and advocating for terrorist rights? Who was it that made that post about the people that spit on the Marines when they were returning from Vietnam (my dad was one of those Marines by the way)? Cause that sounds a lot like what you are doing.
    We see who the dead were. They were humans. Humans who held no value for human life. They didnt value OUR lives, their WIVES lives, they didnt even value THEIR own lives. Why should we in turn defend them and mourne what happened to them?

    I think Mufasa said it best when he said yada yada yada, something about staying out of the shadowy place, oh ya "its the circle of life".

    Liberals dont care about a human embryo but they raise hell over a dead terrorist.
    Please explain how pointing out the actions of the Marines were inappropriate and bad is "advocating terrorists' rights" or "raising hell over a dead terrorist".

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    Re: U.S. Marines Urinate On Dead Bodies In Afghanistan

    Quote Originally Posted by ThePlayDrive View Post
    Please explain how pointing out the actions of the Marines were inappropriate and bad is "advocating terrorists' rights" or "raising hell over a dead terrorist".
    Did you read the comment i was replying to?? We already agree their actions were innappropriate, Redress said:

    What people are failing to see is that who the dead where, and what things the Taliban have done are entirely irrelevant
    That, to me sounds like she is defending the terrorists and lobbying on their behalf. She gives no credit to the work the Marines were doing that brought the terrorists to be dead at their feet in the first place. This isnt pointing out their actions, they have already been pointed out. This is something else entirely
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    Re: U.S. Marines Urinate On Dead Bodies In Afghanistan

    Quote Originally Posted by ThePlayDrive View Post
    First of all, it's not true that no one has had a problem with the killing. I remember a couple of posters saying that early on in thread - so that screws up about 3/4 of your post. Second, the criticism of the Marines in the video is based on disapproval of their gratuitous unprofessional actions. It is not based on general morality or a philosophy of humanity. Their job is to kill to protect themselves and their country - that's not unprofessional or gratuitous. So no, Greenville does not make a valid point.
    Yes, you're right. I went back early on in the thread a moment ago and see that Haymarket brought that up early on. You call their actions "gratuitous and unprofessional." I agree. I don't agree with comparing them to torture, calling them atrocious, horrific, etc. Haymarket, Greenville, MadLib and others, including myself, see the irony of caring more about soldiers pissing on a dead body than actually killing them. Not a valid point to you? Okay.

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    Re: U.S. Marines Urinate On Dead Bodies In Afghanistan

    Quote Originally Posted by ThePlayDrive View Post
    Their job is to kill to protect themselves and their country - that's not unprofessional or gratuitous. So no, Greenville does not make a valid point.
    No one is claiming that part of their job is to go pee on the terrorists after they kill them. Of course that is not their job so there is no need to keep restating that. Are you just trying to get everyone to agree that peeing on a terrorist (live, dead, or stuffed, preferably stuffed for safety sake) is worse than killing said terrorist?

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    Re: U.S. Marines Urinate On Dead Bodies In Afghanistan

    Quote Originally Posted by Dpetty View Post
    So your grandstanding and advocating for terrorist rights? Who was it that made that post about the people that spit on the Marines when they were returning from Vietnam (my dad was one of those Marines by the way)? Cause that sounds a lot like what you are doing.
    We see who the dead were. They were humans. Humans who held no value for human life. They didnt value OUR lives, their WIVES lives, they didnt even value THEIR own lives. Why should we in turn defend them and mourne what happened to them?

    I think Mufasa said it best when he said yada yada yada, something about staying out of the shadowy place, oh ya "its the circle of life".

    Liberals dont care about a human embryo but they raise hell over a dead terrorist.
    Nice straw men arguments. Care to address mine instead?
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    Re: U.S. Marines Urinate On Dead Bodies In Afghanistan

    Quote Originally Posted by Dpetty View Post
    Did you read the comment i was replying to?? We already agree their actions were innappropriate, Redress said:



    That, to me sounds like she is defending the terrorists and lobbying on their behalf. She gives no credit to the work the Marines were doing that brought the terrorists to be dead at their feet in the first place. This isnt pointing out their actions, they have already been pointed out. This is something else entirely
    Then you are not understanding my comments.
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    Re: U.S. Marines Urinate On Dead Bodies In Afghanistan

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    Nice straw men arguments. Care to address mine instead?
    Well, i did admit that i didnt understand what your argument was in the first place, then i asked for clarification. So as soon as you lay it out for me, i will either agree with you, or address it.

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    Re: U.S. Marines Urinate On Dead Bodies In Afghanistan

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    What people are failing to see is that who the dead where, and what things the Taliban have done are entirely irrelevant. However, people pointing out that the act was inappropriate and bad is not blowing things out of proportion. It is things like the US reaction which we can point to as examples of why we are better than other countries.
    No reasonable person is saying that the act was appropriate or good. I, for one, am not saying that pointing out that it was inappropriate or bad blows things out of proportion (in fact, I said it was bad). I have no problems condemning the behavior or with Clinton/Panetta saying "“it is absolutely inconsistent with American values, with the standards of behavior that we expect from our military personnel.” or the idea that the behavior was "deplorable".

    But, when Clinton said “Anyone found to have participated or known about it, having engaged in such conduct, must be held fully accountable.” she (perhaps intentionally) left the door wide open for interpretation. It's been called "inhumane" (ironic) and "inexcusable". And, Panetta has said ""Those found to have engaged in such conduct will be held accountable to the fullest extent." (Less open for interpretation, and much stronger language).

    I am concerned that we train our young men to fortify their own emotions enough to seek to kill another person, but then will hang the same young men out to dry for their lack of reverence. Punish to some extent? - Yes. Punish to the fullest extent? - No.
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    Re: U.S. Marines Urinate On Dead Bodies In Afghanistan

    Quote Originally Posted by Dpetty View Post
    Are you just trying to get everyone to agree that peeing on a terrorist (live, dead, or stuffed, preferably stuffed for safety sake) is worse than killing said terrorist?
    Where did I say that? And I will keep repeating my actual argument when people learn it.

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