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    Re: U.S. Marines Urinate On Dead Bodies In Afghanistan

    Quote Originally Posted by MaggieD View Post
    Great post. And that's what I thought, too. If someone had seen them, they'd'a gotten chewed out and that would've been it. Dumbass who posted it. Hope he's pleased with himself as he destroys the careers of his buds. I'm sorry you know them. I was hoping they wouldn't be able to be identified...
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    Re: U.S. Marines Urinate On Dead Bodies In Afghanistan

    Quote Originally Posted by MarineTpartier View Post
    Oh no, I don't know them. I can't tell who they are
    Stay safe, Marine.
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    Re: U.S. Marines Urinate On Dead Bodies In Afghanistan

    Quote Originally Posted by Temporal View Post
    Yeah, and that's why soldiers don't set policy, their commanders and leaders do. If we let soldiers do whatever they wanted, they would piss on the whole world and tell them to like it. You don't insult an entire people by pissing on their corpses, especially when we are trying to positively incentivize their region to endorse our foreign policy and strategic infrastructure; and especially when our operations have already killed members of people's families.

    Just how stupid can you get?
    OK, you blow their infrastructure to hell, you destroy the workplaces for many, you destroy homes, you mistakenly wound or kill their family and friends, you treat men and women of authority with great disrespect and hold them at gunpoint, you screw their women when you can, you invade their homes and schools. Your are a "representative of America?"

    They or people who look like them or live with them or live near them wound or kill your friends, refuse to give you information (often because they are scared ****less of the Taliban and they know that one day Americans will leave, but the Taliban will not), women can't be trusted, children can't be trusted and nothing can be taken for granted. A small metal box near a house or a path is taken as a serious threat (and turns out to be a small tool box), a rattle that shouldn't rattle in a vehicle, someone who is friendly, people in the wrong place, people in the right place, cars, trucks, two people on a motorcycle, someone carrying a backpack and on and on have all proven at one time to be lethal to you, everyday, all day. Sheeit!

    The ones who give the orders are not the ones who die.

    Policy comes from Washington. Don't kid yourself. How many Bush policy makers had been to war? How about Obama? Don't think for a second they don't **** with field troops. They do. At times Americans die as a result.

    There are many great books that explain the idiocy of command. A recent classic, phenomenal read, is Matterhorn. I cannot recommend that book highly enough. My all time favorite is About Face by Col. David Hackworth. If you really want to know then read either of those two books. Also, concerning asymmetric warfare tactics read Vietnam Primer by Col. Hackworth and S.L.A. Marshall. An unbelievable book detailed lessons ignored by SECDEF Rumsfeld and the Bush W. Administration. Those same lesson apply today.

    After a while you lose faith in Washington and the command structure unless you have a hell of a leader or three in your direct command. Often the leaders you trust the most are ones next to you who have proved themselves. The rest of it is bull****. In case you forget that, some completely dumbass directive will come down that blows your mind. It never fails.










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    Re: U.S. Marines Urinate On Dead Bodies In Afghanistan

    Quote Originally Posted by Temporal View Post
    All of which has nothing to do with filming a distasteful act. The presence of the U.S. in Afghanistan is an information campaign just as much as it is a fighting based one. If you are so naive that you think this is "harmless" then you obviously know nothing about foreign policy. You don't win over the hearts and minds of a foreign culture by comitting acts like this. I can see why you might not think it's that big of a deal, but it's not about you. It's about the success level of our operations and maintaining that.
    Hate to tell you this bro, but I will. WE AREN'T GOING TO WIN THEIR HEARTS AND MINDS. They don't want it. Me and guys like Sgt Rock are left to fight over there until someone figures that out though. These politicians don't want to change their approach, so they should bring us back. I know I'm tired of going into the meat grinder over and over just so Obama can have his "honorable withdrawal". If we're aren't going to go balls to the wall, we need to leave. Even Dubya understood that when he doubled down in '07 with the surge in Iraq. I was a part of that too and I'm proud of my service in Iraq. I felt like I was fighting for something. In Afghanistan? No way. We should take a piss on the whole country and just leave.



    Quote Originally Posted by Temporal View Post
    I'm really amazed at how some posters can be so cavalier. The same people showed up to excuse the wikileaks footage of helicopter fighters shooting down innocent civilians. They were just soldiers who were blowing off steam too, I guess.
    I was in Iraq when that reporter got mowed down. Who, in their right mind, leaves the unit they are assigned to and decides to go galavanting around with the enemy? That guy apparently. I'm not going to say he got what was coming because that's over the top, but, it was his irresponsibility that led to it. On another subject, all of you people on here that think Obama's military cuts are good, remember that story. It will happen a lot more with us depending on technology instead of boots on the ground. There was no observer for that helicopter that shot those men.
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    Re: U.S. Marines Urinate On Dead Bodies In Afghanistan

    Quote Originally Posted by MaggieD View Post
    Stay safe, Marine.
    Thank you.
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    Re: U.S. Marines Urinate On Dead Bodies In Afghanistan

    Quote Originally Posted by MarineTpartier View Post
    I got a few thoughts on this, seeing as how I'm a Marine who was in Afghanistan with those guys (not serving in the same unit) and they are on the same base as I am.

    A) Why film it? Dumb
    B) There are very few people on this website that have actually been to combat. I have numerous times. While I never thought of doing something like this, the lives of your enemy can become very cheap to you. Especially after you see guys you have known and served with for 3-4 years blown to bits by the IED's these cowards put out. While I don't condone it, I can understand where it comes from. I've given less than satisfactory medical care to terrorists that just killed 2 and wounded 1 of my buddies.
    C) These guys are snipers. So, the already low level of pity held by them for their enemy is magnified by the fact that they were probably watching these guys put an IED in and they got a close look at them. That is one of the main missions of snipers right now in Afghan. Deter IED emplacers. When you see a guy doing something like that, it infuriates you even further.

    I don't condone the actions of these guys. However, I understand where it comes from. Take all of the political crap out of it. All the "we shouldn't be there in the first place" or "thats what we get for being the aggressive occupiers we are". That stuff doesn't matter to the grunt on the ground. All he knows is he's away from his family, his buddies have been killed, mauled, and maimed for 6 months (that's about how long they've been there) and you just don't care about this Taliban puke laying on the ground in front of you. To be honest, if I caught my guys doing this, I would chew them out and that would be the end of it. There would be no paperwork involved. 3rd Battalion 5th Marine Regiment took 45 KIA, 140 loss of eyesight or limb in 6 months in the Sangin River Valley. They deployed with 600 guys. Those are just the dead and traumatic injuries. I'm not counting the concussions and flesh wounds received. Think of that, 200 out of 600 guys that you will never see again, or who will never see you or be able to walk up and shake your hand again. Thats traumatic. I'm tearing up typing this. Marines are in the best shape of any service, bar none. Sure, some high level special ops guys are better, but we are the best out of the conventional forces. When you see guys around you, combat athletes, titans of physical fitness, great Americans, patriots, being helo'd off with out their legs and arms, you're damn right some piss on a terrorist isn't a big deal to us.
    Thanks for the post. Made me tear up a bit too.
    With that said...I think they were dumb to do what they did AND film it. But I understand the whys and wherefores of what they did.

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    Re: U.S. Marines Urinate On Dead Bodies In Afghanistan

    Quote Originally Posted by Enola View Post
    Thanks for the post. Made me tear up a bit too.
    With that said...I think they were dumb to do what they did AND film it. But I understand the whys and wherefores of what they did.
    I agree, filming it was dumb. I tried to deter my guys from filming stuff in country, but, if they want to do it they'll find a way.
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    Re: U.S. Marines Urinate On Dead Bodies In Afghanistan

    Quote Originally Posted by ThePlayDrive View Post
    I never said you did. But when you go on a tirade that aims to educate me on what war is really like and throw in little sarcastic remarks about "apple pie" and other nonsense, you're treating me like an idiot. So like I said, you can save your preaching and sarcasm for someone who actually believes what you assume I do.


    I don't doubt this which is why I've said, several times now, that their actions are understandable.


    I'm sure a lot of this goes on and I know that we don't see hardly any, if any, 'real war' on the news. And sure, we should be paying attention to manning the country and letting soldiers get the job done. But this thread is about soldiers who chose to piss on corpse and then chose to film it, so my attention is naturally on the topic at hand. Their actions were arrogant, a poor representation of the United States, potentially something that could exacerbate tensions in the region and something that a lot of soldiers seem to be able to avoid doing in spite of going through the same stuff.
    "God, mom and apple pie" or "Country, mom and apple pie" or variations thereof didn't start with me. It's been around for quite a while. Google it, and you will quickly discover that it was not intended sarcasm. As to the action of the Marines, their mistake was in filming it. I can assure that 99.5% of their time in-country is NOT thinking about being representatives of the United States. For Christsakes, Marines are not deployed to be nice and make friends. Those bastards live like animals, get the ****tiest missions and are continually short supplied, with, more often than not, not the latest of weapons. They are expected to outfight and outlast every enemy they encounter and they almost always do, at great personal sacrifice. That is SOP for Marines. If they want to pee on dead people, go ahead on. If anyone has a problem with it it should only be other Marines.

    My best friend, 3/3, was chopped up like hamburger on Hill 881. Read some Marine history and tell us about standards of conduct.

    Read some Marine history.










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    Re: U.S. Marines Urinate On Dead Bodies In Afghanistan

    If there is anything I have learned from working with Marines, it is that they pride themselves in being the best and most professional organization in the military. A video like this spits in the face of that tradition.
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    Re: U.S. Marines Urinate On Dead Bodies In Afghanistan

    So what? They were Taliban. I'm sure they deserved it.
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