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    Re: U.S. Marines Urinate On Dead Bodies In Afghanistan

    In war, lots of terrible things are done by individuals on both sides. On the scale of "bad things that happen in war", this one is pretty trivial really... though it is bad PR, and the soldiers should probably be reprimanded and warned about letting things like this get on camera.

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    Re: U.S. Marines Urinate On Dead Bodies In Afghanistan

    Quote Originally Posted by alexa View Post
    I accept you soldiers are saying combat soldiers go psychotic, that may be so. It is also a good reason for less war.

    Someone suggested only combat soldiers talk on this as only they would understand. I suggest we take that idea and use it towards our foes and gain the same understanding of their irrational behaviour hence allowing us the opportunity to stop this constant war which I hear from people on this thread 99% of the time makes people psychopaths.
    Maybe we should all just form an orderly straight line and quietly wait for the nearest terrorist to come slit our throats. That way THEY get what they want, and we dont offend anyone! I know that i for one, would rather die, than offend the people who have sworn to kill me, and my childrens childrens children.

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    Re: U.S. Marines Urinate On Dead Bodies In Afghanistan

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    no, they do other things. I've seen them play with the bodies, for example. Guys watching "kill tv" will often have a running bookie on whether or not a guy will make it or become paste.

    Or they live in a Locked Up Chain Of Command who doesn't allow them any relaxation on deployment, so they go home, become alcoholics, and beat their wives and children.
    It's ridiculous how you paint this as an all or nothing situation. Either you piss on dead bodies/play with bodies or you become an alcoholic and beat your wife. I get the feeling most troops are somewhere in between this nonsensical all or nothing situation you've set up. What a joke.

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    Re: U.S. Marines Urinate On Dead Bodies In Afghanistan

    Quote Originally Posted by StillBallin75 View Post
    Before I forget, I'd just like to add pregnant women who get abortions to this list - a group plenty of men who have never been pregnant have absolutely no qualms about condemning. Do you agree that women who get late-term abortions, or women who use abortion as a method of birth control, are engaging in immoral behavior? If so, what precisely gives you the standing to voice such an opinion, if you've never been a pregnant women? Is that not an analogous situation to this one?
    This sums it up. It's interesting how many of the posters claiming that you can't have a valid opinion without experience are some of the main pro-lifers who judge women in that situation or who think all of Obama's decisions are horrible despite not knowing the totality of what a woman goes through or what Obama knows and deals with. I'm almost tempted to respond to every thread now by saying, "You haven't experienced this so your opinion is invalid!" We'd have no more threads on DP. Atheists couldn't talk about Christianity, men couldn't talk about abortion, non-actors can't judge actors' performances, regular citizens can't judge Obama or Congress, non-teachers can't judge teachers and so on.

    The argument is pretty much a weak way for people to shout down anyone who disagrees with them because from what I've seen non-combat veterans who agree with them aren't being told to shut up.

    EDIT: Shout down anyone who they perceive as disagreeing with them. From what I've read, I and most other non-military posters don't actually disagree much, if at all, with the people who are claiming non-military members can't have a valid opinion. They just perceive disagreement.
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    Re: U.S. Marines Urinate On Dead Bodies In Afghanistan

    Quote Originally Posted by Goshin View Post
    In war, lots of terrible things are done by individuals on both sides. On the scale of "bad things that happen in war", this one is pretty trivial really... though it is bad PR, and the soldiers should probably be reprimanded and warned about letting things like this get on camera.
    Too late.

    This has blown up out of all proportion. IMO, both sides intrinsically know that this conduct was unfortunate, wrong and predictable. The other side is anxious to play "gotcha," and we are all too anxious to wail and gnash our teeth at the inhumanity of it all.

    This has happened before. This is not the first time this kind of conduct has been discovered in a war theatre. Many of us will be watching to make sure these men are not used as pawns in a political chess game...that they are treated fairly and appropriately for their misconduct and not unduly punished for being human.

    Here's an appropriate response from brass:

    "The behavior depicted in the video is wholly inconsistent with the high standards of conduct and warrior ethos that we have demonstrated throughout our history," Gen. Jim Amos, the Marine Corps commandant, said in a statement issued Thursday morning. "Accordingly, late yesterday I requested that the Naval Criminal Investigative Service pull together a team of their very best agents and immediately assign them responsibility to thoroughly investigate every aspect of the filmed event."
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    Re: U.S. Marines Urinate On Dead Bodies In Afghanistan

    'Shut your mouth... war is hell': Ex-Army state politician attacks 'self-righteous' critics of Marines caught urinating over Afghan bodies on video


    Read more: Urination video: 4 US Marines to be charged 'within hours' | Mail Online

    A state politician who served in the U.S. Army for two decades today slammed those from outside the military who have criticised the four Marines seen in a video urinating on dead Afghan bodies.
    Florida Rep. Allen West, an ex-Army lieutenant colonel, insisted the Marines were wrong but fumed: ‘As for everyone else, unless you have been shot at by the Taliban, shut your mouth, war is hell.’
    His comments follow reports that all four men could imminently face criminal charges of bringing dishonour to the armed forces. Two men have been interviewed but not detained, reported CNN.


    Read more: Urination video: 4 US Marines to be charged 'within hours' | Mail Online

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    Re: U.S. Marines Urinate On Dead Bodies In Afghanistan

    Quote Originally Posted by RDS View Post
    'Shut your mouth... war is hell': Ex-Army state politician attacks 'self-righteous' critics of Marines caught urinating over Afghan bodies on video

    Read more: Urination video: 4 US Marines to be charged 'within hours' | Mail Online
    This has already been posted and handled well by StillBallin. By this guy's logic, men shouldn't have opinions on women who get abortions, no one should have an opinion on how the president does his job, non-teachers shouldn't have opinion on teaching and so on. It's a ridiculous opinion.

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    Re: U.S. Marines Urinate On Dead Bodies In Afghanistan

    Quote Originally Posted by sawyerloggingon View Post
    This is so freakin ridiculous I can barely grasp it. In Nam it was common practice to take ears for trophy's and wearing a near necklace wasn't that uncommon. As for cameras it was also common to cut off the heads of a couple of dead VC, and take turns holding them by the hair in front of you for pics. It's WAR, these little celebration things are Good for moral and it really helps blow off steam. I am sick to death of sniveling little lib scum cowards sitting in their easy chairs at home judging soldiers.
    Yes, I saw a lot of those pictures. As a young man coming into the service after VN, it almost made me reconsider my decision. Such inhumanity? How does anyone become that type of person? Maybe we all have it in us somewhere, though I hope not, but it was very disagreeable to see people treating other humans like anmals they hunted and collected trophies of.


    And Stillballin, yes the really stupid thing was to record their actions.

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    Re: U.S. Marines Urinate On Dead Bodies In Afghanistan

    Quote Originally Posted by Goshin View Post
    In war, lots of terrible things are done by individuals on both sides. On the scale of "bad things that happen in war", this one is pretty trivial really... though it is bad PR, and the soldiers should probably be reprimanded and warned about letting things like this get on camera.


    I don't disagree. I'm more distrubed by those who try to excuse it entirely.

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    Re: U.S. Marines Urinate On Dead Bodies In Afghanistan

    Quote Originally Posted by ecofarm View Post
    Boeing gives illegal orders?
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    Absolutely. It would hard for any military contractor to survive if all wars were fought legally.
    Does anyone else have a problem with that answer? I'm not sure, but it seems fkd up.



    Anyway, these guys are pussies. A real unit woulda sht on 'em.

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