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    Re: U.S. Marines Urinate On Dead Bodies In Afghanistan

    Quote Originally Posted by StillBallin75 View Post
    So, today, along with the "race card," the "race card" card, we now have the "war is hell, you have never served so don't judge our troops" card.

    It's funny to me that the people who are first in line to put military personnel on an untouchable pedestal, are also the first in line to let this kinda **** slide. Once again, whatever happened to HONOR, Courage, and Commitment? Do you consider these acts honorable? It doesn't take a rocket scientist to tell you that pissing on dead corpses is not ethical behavior, whether it's an expected or normal response or not.

    Do you stand for a military that adheres to high moral and ethical standards (not to mention not doing stupid **** like taking a video and uploading this **** onto Youtube)?

    Why are there so many low-expectation-havin mother****ers in this thread?
    Son, we live in a world that has walls, and those walls have to be guarded by men with guns. Who's gonna do it? You? They have a greater responsibility than you could possibly fathom. You weep for the pissed on bodies, and you curse the Marines. You have that luxury. You have the luxury of not knowing what they know. That ****ing with corpses, while tragic, probably saved lives. And their existence, while grotesque and incomprehensible to you, saves lives. You don't want the truth because deep down in places you don't talk about at parties, you want them on that wall, you need them on that wall. We use words like honor, code, loyalty. They use these words as the backbone of a life spent defending something. You use them as a punchline. I have neither the time nor the inclination to explain this to a man who rises and sleeps under the blanket of the very freedom that they provide, and then questions the manner in which they provide it. I would rather you just said thank you, and went on your way, Otherwise, I suggest you pick up a weapon, and stand a post. Either way, I don't give a damn what you think you are entitled to.


    Gotta love Col. Jessup.

    Anyway, SB, you have to be real and admit that it sure is easy to sit back and criticize when you've never been through it. To be fair, I don't have any idea what it's like any more than you do. I guess the difference is I think there's merit in saying you can't know what it's like unless you've lived it, where you, I guess, do not. /shrug

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    Re: U.S. Marines Urinate On Dead Bodies In Afghanistan

    Quote Originally Posted by X Factor View Post
    Son, we live in a world that has walls, and those walls have to be guarded by men with guns. Who's gonna do it? You? They have a greater responsibility than you could possibly fathom. You weep for the pissed on bodies, and you curse the Marines. You have that luxury. You have the luxury of not knowing what they know. That ****ing with corpses, while tragic, probably saved lives. And their existence, while grotesque and incomprehensible to you, saves lives. You don't want the truth because deep down in places you don't talk about at parties, you want them on that wall, you need them on that wall. We use words like honor, code, loyalty. They use these words as the backbone of a life spent defending something. You use them as a punchline. I have neither the time nor the inclination to explain this to a man who rises and sleeps under the blanket of the very freedom that they provide, and then questions the manner in which they provide it. I would rather you just said thank you, and went on your way, Otherwise, I suggest you pick up a weapon, and stand a post. Either way, I don't give a damn what you think you are entitled to.
    If that's what you think I've been doing this whole time, then you haven't been reading closely. I am not weeping for the Taliban, nor do I curse the individual Marines in the video.

    I'm all about keepin' it real. That's what cpwill did, and guess what, I appreciate his insight and he brings up some pretty valid points. My problem is with people who pretend that military personnel are like boy scouts, on the one hand, and put them up on an untouchable pedestal, while on the other hand letting **** slide when unethical behavior comes up, and subsequently playing what i called the "war is hell" card.

    You can't have it both ways. Either you acknowledge that the military we love and the personnel who serve in it are imperfect, human people, warts and all, that the ethics and moral standards the military claims are absolute BS, and move on (which some people here have done, which allows them to keep their expectations low), or you hold on to those ethical and moral standards and expect the troops to adhere to them, unrealistic though they may be.

    Anyway, SB, you have to be real and admit that it sure is easy to sit back and criticize when you've never been through it. To be fair, I don't have any idea what it's like any more than you do. I guess the difference is I think there's merit in saying you can't know what it's like unless you've lived it, where you, I guess, do not. /shrug
    That's bull****, X. People criticize all the time without having faced the same situations. It happens all the time on this damn forum, from criticisms of President Obama all the way on down to criticisms of the poor for being lazy bums. This despite the fact that the vast majority of people on this forum have not, and will never be, President of the United states, and many of us have not been poor. In fact, for those who criticize the poor, many of those same people go on to talk about taking "personal responsibility" and individual choices - much as I just did. And their criticisms are often not without merit, despite the fact that they are judging people who are facing situations that they themselves never did.

    If "you can't know it unless you lived it," then by extension you're essentially arguing that all criticisms of the President are illegitimate and invalid as none of us know how tough it is to run the country from the Oval office. That's absolute hogwash.
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    Re: U.S. Marines Urinate On Dead Bodies In Afghanistan

    Quote Originally Posted by StillBallin75 View Post
    My position throughout this whole thread has been this:

    The pissing on the dead body was wrong, but hardly surprising. I'm not too worked up about that.

    On the other hand, taking a video and allowing it to be somehow uploaded onto the Interwebz is patently idiotic.

    What I AM worked up about is this notion that your opinion somehow doesn't count if you've never put on a uniform or served in combat. Both me and you realize that war brutalizes and dehumanizes the individual. That's fine. I recognize that. That doesn't take away from the fact that throwing a puppy over a cliff is ****ed up and the dude needs help. I mean, what the **** ever happened to "personal responsibility" and being accountable for your own actions?
    That about sums it up in a nutshell what most think about the whole situation.

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    Re: U.S. Marines Urinate On Dead Bodies In Afghanistan

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    agreed.



    that doesn't mean you are ****ed up and need help. It means you have made the necessary mental adjustments to survive with sanity intact. You only need help if you are unable to reintegrate. Took me a while - for example I didn't quite understand at first why my civilian friends didn't think that rape was funny. but I self-medicated with alcohol, and spent some good time playing with my son.

    that's the point of contention here - while generally folks are agreeing here that these guys have to go down now for the good of the team... what you see in that video is them keeping their sanity. they've had to do that because we put them there. It's like the old story of a guy who has to steal food so his kids can eat - punish him if you must to enforce rule of law, but don't pretend you have the standing to morally judge him for his actions. The world you live in is artificial and easy compared to his.
    I can agree with you right up until about this point.

    Can I morally judge him for his actions? I'd say that depends on the action. Desecrating and dehumanizing the body of the enemy, I can understand why it happened, but I still contend that it's morally wrong. But it's not something I'm overly outraged about.

    Throwing a puppy over a cliff? The **** is up with that? There's absolutely no excuse for that kind of behavior. There's simply no need for it. Desecrate the body of the enemy if that's what makes you feel sane, but what precisely is the justification for throwing a puppy over the cliff? You need to harm innocent life as well to feel sane, too? I'm sorry, that just doesn't compute.

    What about real war crimes, like when guys just lose it and **** like My Lai happens? While we can recognize and try to understand what happened to produce such a behavior, the behavior itself is still absolutely inexcusable. You gonna tell me I'm still not in a position to morally judge those individuals even then? At some point, shouldn't "personal responsibility" - the phrase conservatives know and love - kick in? Most of all for those who serve in the most respected institution in the country?
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    Re: U.S. Marines Urinate On Dead Bodies In Afghanistan

    Proof that congressman can use straw men arguments to avoid arguing against what peopel actually say too.
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    Re: U.S. Marines Urinate On Dead Bodies In Afghanistan

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    no, they do other things. I've seen them play with the bodies, for example. Guys watching "kill tv" will often have a running bookie on whether or not a guy will make it or become paste.


    Or they live in a Locked Up Chain Of Command who doesn't allow them any relaxation on deployment, so they go home, become alcoholics, and beat their wives and children.
    None of which is right, none of which is proper, and if you get caught on tape doing it, you are going to get slammed for it. Making excuses for nonprofessional behavior is a piss poor way of arguing. We learned back when we are 5 years old that "because Johnny did it first" is not a valid excuse.
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    Re: U.S. Marines Urinate On Dead Bodies In Afghanistan

    Quote Originally Posted by StillBallin75 View Post
    If that's what you think I've been doing this whole time, then you haven't been reading closely. I am not weeping for the Taliban, nor do I curse the individual Marines in the video.

    I'm all about keepin' it real. That's what cpwill did, and guess what, I appreciate his insight and he brings up some pretty valid points. My problem is with people who pretend that military personnel are like boy scouts, on the one hand, and put them up on an untouchable pedestal, while on the other hand letting **** slide when unethical behavior comes up, and subsequently playing what i called the "war is hell" card.

    You can't have it both ways. Either you acknowledge that the military we love and the personnel who serve in it are imperfect, human people, warts and all, that the ethics and moral standards the military claims are absolute BS, and move on (which some people here have done, which allows them to keep their expectations low), or you hold on to those ethical and moral standards and expect the troops to adhere to them, unrealistic though they may be.



    That's bull****, X. People criticize all the time without having faced the same situations. It happens all the time on this damn forum, from criticisms of President Obama all the way on down to criticisms of the poor for being lazy bums. This despite the fact that the vast majority of people on this forum have not, and will never be, President of the United states, and many of us have not been poor. In fact, for those who criticize the poor, many of those same people go on to talk about taking "personal responsibility" and individual choices - much as I just did. And their criticisms are often not without merit, despite the fact that they are judging people who are facing situations that they themselves never did.

    If "you can't know it unless you lived it," then by extension you're essentially arguing that all criticisms of the President are illegitimate and invalid as none of us know how tough it is to run the country from the Oval office. That's absolute hogwash.
    Before I forget, I'd just like to add pregnant women who get abortions to this list - a group plenty of men who have never been pregnant have absolutely no qualms about condemning. Do you agree that women who get late-term abortions, or women who use abortion as a method of birth control, are engaging in immoral behavior? If so, what precisely gives you the standing to voice such an opinion, if you've never been a pregnant women? Is that not an analogous situation to this one?
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    Stillballin is on a roll. Im awed. Great posts.

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