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    Re: U.S. Marines Urinate On Dead Bodies In Afghanistan

    Quote Originally Posted by Sunbelt View Post
    Are we sure this isn't a bunch of America hating libs acting like marines? No surprise that your link takes us to Huffington Post.
    Sometimes you just gotta shake your head...FYI, it's not just HuffPo that's reporting this. You'd know this if you read/watch the damn news.

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    Re: U.S. Marines Urinate On Dead Bodies In Afghanistan

    So, today, along with the "race card," the "race card" card, we now have the "war is hell, you have never served so don't judge our troops" card.

    It's funny to me that the people who are first in line to put military personnel on an untouchable pedestal, are also the first in line to let this kinda **** slide. Once again, whatever happened to HONOR, Courage, and Commitment? Do you consider these acts honorable? It doesn't take a rocket scientist to tell you that pissing on dead corpses is not ethical behavior, whether it's an expected or normal response or not.

    Do you stand for a military that adheres to high moral and ethical standards (not to mention not doing stupid **** like taking a video and uploading this **** onto Youtube)?

    Why are there so many low-expectation-havin mother****ers in this thread?

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    Re: U.S. Marines Urinate On Dead Bodies In Afghanistan

    Quote Originally Posted by Crosscheck View Post
    How different do you think US-Vietnam relationship would be today if we had won?
    That's a good question because our relationship with them now seems like we did win, very cordial and we do alot of business with them.

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    Re: U.S. Marines Urinate On Dead Bodies In Afghanistan

    The local news just reported that 3/4 Marines have retained counsel. I think the guy who recorded it and whomever posted it on youtube are worse

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    Re: U.S. Marines Urinate On Dead Bodies In Afghanistan

    Quote Originally Posted by sawyerloggingon View Post
    That's a good question because our relationship with them now seems like we did win, very cordial and we do alot of business with them.
    My thoughts too. It makes me wonder if we lost 58,000 of my generation for nothing.

    Am not anti-military either. I remember being in boot camp marching and singing we were going to kill Viet Cong and we were all bursting at the seam to do just that.
    I just don't about that war now.
    World War II was just and Pearl Harbor still angers me even though I was not born yet.

    Not to wonder off on a tangent but I read statistics on Vietnam Vets and the fact that Vietnam veterans have a lower unemployment rate than our non-vet age group made me wonder about all those guys at the stoplights with signs saying Vietnam Vet, Anything Helps.
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    Re: U.S. Marines Urinate On Dead Bodies In Afghanistan

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    The local news just reported that 3/4 Marines have retained counsel. I think the guy who recorded it and whomever posted it on youtube are worse
    These soldiers were aware of the Geneva Convention and Rules of War and they filmed this violation of such laws. They should be punished, just for being stupid if nothing else.

    Besides what grown man wants another grown man to be shooting film of him while he is making PeePee. That is my big question.

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    Re: U.S. Marines Urinate On Dead Bodies In Afghanistan

    Quote Originally Posted by StillBallin75 View Post
    So, today, along with the "race card," the "race card" card, we now have the "war is hell, you have never served so don't judge our troops" card.
    This happens in a lot of instances, not just with the military. In religious threads, you have Christians who don't think non-Christians can have a valid opinion about Christianity. In threads about the Constitution, lawyers don't think non-lawyers can have valid opinions about the constitutionality of law. It goes on and on.

    There is certainly something to say for experience and from what I've seen, most non-military people have acknowledged rather than dismissed what military people have said about war being hell and soldiers having to dehumanize the opposition. So it seems that the "you just don't understand" card is just a way to shout down different opinions.

    The rest of your post was spot on as well. I, personally, hold the military in high regard. I hold my country to high standards and I imagine that most military vets and current members hold the military and the country to high standards as well. In fact, the veterans in my family took/take the "honor code" very seriously. Consequently, I have a problem with the idea that the hell of war makes pissing on dead bodies okay, particularly since so many troops come home without ever doing it or similar things. To a certain extent, their actions are understandable, but the explanations for their behavior should not be used as excuses.

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    Re: U.S. Marines Urinate On Dead Bodies In Afghanistan

    Quote Originally Posted by ThePlayDrive View Post
    This happens in a lot of instances, not just with the military. In religious threads, you have Christians who don't think non-Christians can have a valid opinion about Christianity. In threads about the Constitution, lawyers don't think non-lawyers can have valid opinions about the constitutionality of law. It goes on and on.

    There is certainly something to say for experience and from what I've seen, most non-military people have acknowledged rather than dismissed what military people have said about war being hell and soldiers having to dehumanize the opposition. So it seems that the "you just don't understand" card is just a way to shout down different opinions.

    The rest of your post was spot on as well. I, personally, hold the military in high regard. I hold my country to high standards and I imagine that most military vets and current members hold the military and the country to high standards as well. In fact, the veterans in my family took/take the "honor code" very seriously. Consequently, I have a problem with the idea that the hell of war makes pissing on dead bodies okay, particularly since so many troops come home without ever doing it or similar things. To a certain extent, their actions are understandable, but the explanations for their behavior should not be used as excuses.
    I'm 100% with you bro.

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    Re: U.S. Marines Urinate On Dead Bodies In Afghanistan

    Quote Originally Posted by StillBallin75 View Post
    So, today, along with the "race card," the "race card" card, we now have the "war is hell, you have never served so don't judge our troops" card.

    It's funny to me that the people who are first in line to put military personnel on an untouchable pedestal, are also the first in line to let this kinda **** slide. Once again, whatever happened to HONOR, Courage, and Commitment? Do you consider these acts honorable? It doesn't take a rocket scientist to tell you that pissing on dead corpses is not ethical behavior, whether it's an expected or normal response or not.

    Do you stand for a military that adheres to high moral and ethical standards (not to mention not doing stupid **** like taking a video and uploading this **** onto Youtube)?

    Why are there so many low-expectation-havin mother****ers in this thread?
    What should the punishment be then? Hanging? Twenty years hard labor at Leavenworth?

    I think Wests punishment would be enough, especially for brave men who risk there lifes so you could spew your talking points on Forums like this

    The killing was ethical but the pissing wasnt? Really..... Do you have any knowledge of what went on in WW2 against the Japs? You know the stuff that wasnt in most of the history books. I really dont think you have a clue what go's on in war and how it can traumitze people in different ways. And you dont seem to have any sympathy for there plight.

    Its pretty easy for a know it all, holier than thou, Liberal like you to put yourself on a pedestal and claim moral superiority. The fact is you've probably never been in anywhere near as tough a position as these guys may have been or guys like them who have probably had to see several of there friends go home in little pieces or see little Afghan kids who they gave candy to the week before get there hand cut off because of it. No I doubt that with any sincerity that you could claim that in a killing zone where almost anything go's that you would not end up doing something not up to "Your" Ethical standards. Compared to the guys who risk there as* for the right for guys like you to sit your as* on that computer and give your opinions you simply have no credibility.

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    Re: U.S. Marines Urinate On Dead Bodies In Afghanistan

    Quote Originally Posted by Iron Yank View Post
    What should the punishment be then? Hanging? Twenty years hard labor at Leavenworth?

    I think Wests punishment would be enough, especially for brave men who risk there lifes so you could spew your talking points on Forums like this
    I said nothing about the punishment. I am not concerned with their punishment, and I'm not asking for a harsh punishment. I am concerned with, as I said above, the playing of the "war is hell" card.

    The killing was ethical but the pissing wasnt? Really..... Do you have any knowledge of what went on in WW2 against the Japs? You know the stuff that wasnt in most of the history books. I really dont think you have a clue what go's on in war and how it can traumitze people in different ways. And you dont seem to have any sympathy for there plight.
    As a student of military history, I am quite aware of the crap that went down. I have also made it very clear elsewhere that I know very well that war dehumanizes and brutalizes the individual. That should not be an excuse for engaging in unethical (much less stupid) conduct, especially given the lengths we, as Americans go to praise the professionalism of our troops.

    It's about as ridiculous as saying "I'm a teenager, therefore I am entitled to do dumb **** and go out and drive while intoxicated and nobody should get mad at me because I am a teenager, and people expect teenagers to do dumb ****."

    Its pretty easy for a know it all, holier than thou, Liberal like you to put yourself on a pedestal and claim moral superiority. The fact is you've probably never been in anywhere near as tough a position as these guys may have been or guys like them who have probably had to see several of there friends go home in little pieces or see little Afghan kids who they gave candy to the week before get there hand cut off because of it. No I doubt that with any sincerity that you could claim that in a killing zone where almost anything go's that you would not end up doing something not up to "Your" Ethical standards. Compared to the guys who risk there as* for the right for guys like you to sit your as* on that computer and give your opinions you simply have no credibility.
    Hogwash. This is a perfect example of what I was just talking about. This has jack to do with MY ethical standards and everything to do with how the Corps bills itself to the public. It has everything to do with putting your money where your mouth is. The military claims to instill ethical and moral values and its own troops - it's good to see that they're concerned when the code is violated, so I have no problem with the military's institutional response to this situation. I have absolutely no problem with how the military is handling this.

    Like I said, I'm more upset with people who seem to think that one can't judge other's actions simply because one hasn't been in a similar situation. Why all this bull**** about black liberals playing the "race card" then? Most critics of those people aren't black, the **** you know about what it's like to be black in America? Nevertheless people voice their own opinions anyway, and in many cases those opinions about people playing the race card are legitimate and valid despite those people not being black.

    At the end of the day, my response has to do with holding individuals to a high standard - standards that the military, as an institution, has created for itself. It pisses me off to no end that for some people, it means jack **** when those standards aren't met, and yet those individuals are the first to praise the military unconditionally and engage in bumper-sticker patriotism elsewhere.
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