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    Re: pee party

    Quote Originally Posted by AdamT View Post
    Rightfully so.
    not at all. I am glad Ghaddafi's body was humiliated - all the better. When you want to increase the incentive for psycho dictators to get out of dodge (cough assad cough), you raise the stakes on them.

    You don't create peace by lowering the pain threshold for waging war against you. The first step of creating peace is having everyone know that if they decide to get out of line, they and all their buddies will die without even a hint of a possibility of success.

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    Re: U.S. Marines Urinate On Dead Bodies In Afghanistan

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    Are they indeed peeing on corpses?
    I am quite certain they are peeing on corpses.
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    Re: U.S. Marines Urinate On Dead Bodies In Afghanistan

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    The Afghans and our allies do not find as much humor in it as you do evidently.
    The Afghans have been through 3 decades of having their children hit random mines left behind from the Soviets, living in squalid refugee camps inside Pakistan, and (barely) yanking a living (or not, and starving) out of some of the harshest terrain on the planet. If you think that they would find this shocking and atrocious....

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    Re: U.S. Marines Urinate On Dead Bodies In Afghanistan

    Quote Originally Posted by CriticalThought View Post
    I am quite certain they are peeing on corpses.
    That's what I thought, I wouldn't expect the Pentagon to accept it as real if it wasn't.
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    Re: U.S. Marines Urinate On Dead Bodies In Afghanistan

    Anyone that defends such really is clueless imo ... not only did those marines on tax payer revenue disobey and disrespect that General Petreaus and and McChrystal took as a very serious mission to win the hearts and minds for strategic reasons ... spending billions of American dollars ... these idiots in a few split seconds disobey orders and the mission with dangerous actions.

    They endanger our troops, pissed away the billions spent of our money, disobey the orders to win over the counter insurgency ... and create more distrust and help us to lose ground.

    It reinforces terrorists and helps recruit terrorists.

    It is wrong ... if the men lying dead were enemies and had to be killed in defense that is one issue ... to goad and take the lower ground we claim to be fighting against is immoral and illogical and a dangerous game.

    Those men just pissed on our billions, disobeyed orders and endangered our troops.
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    Re: U.S. Marines Urinate On Dead Bodies In Afghanistan

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    The Afghans have been through 3 decades of having their children hit random mines left behind from the Soviets, living in squalid refugee camps inside Pakistan, and (barely) yanking a living (or not, and starving) out of some of the harshest terrain on the planet. If you think that they would find this shocking and atrocious....
    Did you not see my earlier post where the Afghans condemned the action.

    Karzai condemns video of urination on corpses



    "Afghan President Hamid Karzai on Thursday condemned a video depicting what appears to be four U.S. Marines urinating on the corpses of Taliban fighters.

    A presidential statement described the act as "completely inhumane" and called on the U.S. military to punish the Marines."

    "The Afghan Ministry of Defense also condemned the actions in the video, which it described as "shocking."

    The NATO-led security force in Afghanistan released a statement Thursday saying, "This disrespectful act is inexplicable and not in keeping with the high moral standards we expect of coalition forces."

    "Sen. John McCain, a Navy veteran who fought in the Vietnam war, said the incident "makes me so sad."

    "Appearing Thursday on "CBS This Morning," the Arizona Republican said, "There should be an investigation and these young people should be punished."

    Karzai condemns video of urination on corpses - Yahoo! News
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    Re: U.S. Marines Urinate On Dead Bodies In Afghanistan

    I don't think a lot of these defenders of the urinators are going to express any degree of disapproval about this until they hear Rush Limbaugh or Bill O'Relly condemn it.
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    Re: U.S. Marines Urinate On Dead Bodies In Afghanistan

    Quote Originally Posted by Wiseone View Post
    All these arguments about how the Taliban and Al-Qaeda have done worse to Americans and their own people is a bunch of bull****. The enemy does not define our morality, nor our standards. Being on the righteous side of war means exactly that, we are better than all the time, not some of the time, not most of the time, all the time and that is the standard. That is the quality of Soldier, Sailor, Airman, and Marine that this nation deserves and by God the people should demand. Being right doesn't mean not committing a heinous act, then all is fair game, it means NEVER committing them. It means being that medic who will save the life of a Taliban fighter taken prisoner just after he killed the medic's buddy. That is the kind of quality and righteousness needed and should be demanded of the military. It's that attitude of respecting your enemy even when he does not respect you, for the simple reason that he's another human being and you are better than that, you have a high standard of action.

    How can we claim to be the good guys when stuff like this is done? Certainly in the grand scheme of things we've done less horrible acts than our enemies, but that's not good enough, we won't be the "lesser evil" and call it good enough, we should always strive to be completely free of these kinds of acts. Of course it will be impossible, of course mistakes will be made, Soldiers will act in ways they should not, of course there will be situations where someone has to die in a horrible and it will be unavoidable, but that doesn't mean we should give up on that standard.

    The Uniformed Code of Justice, Article 134 reads as follows:


    Quite clearly this action on the part of these Marines brings discredit upon the armed forces, it is a clear violation of our standards and discipline.
    Quote Originally Posted by MarineTpartier View Post
    And your argument is exactly why we are still in Afghanistan. Instead of going over there, taking it to the enemy, we are sitting back claiming the moral high road. War is immoral. That's why no one likes to do it. I don't like killing people, I don't like seeing kids dead because some terrorist decided to run in a random house and I called an airstrike in on it. That's what happens in a war though. When you sit back in Washington and put expectations upon our guys that aren't realistic, we end up being in theater for going on 11 years. We need to take the kid gloves off and take it to them. We need to stop caring what Karzai, Pakistan, and especially the Taliban care about us. If Karzai and Pakistan cared about getting rid of these terrorists, they'd have done it already. That's why we will never win that war, and why I think we should just leave. Screw an enemy laying on the ground bleeding out. I'd rather save my field dressing, Quikclot, and tourniquet for someone I actually care about, not some dirtbag that just tried to kill me or killed one of my buddies. Instead, we take care of him, he goes to "prison" for a couple of weeks, and there he is again, shooting at me. Do I think its right they pissed on those guys? No. Do I care, NO. At most they should get a Company NJP and leave it at that.
    There is a difference between taking it to the enemy and literally pissing on them. The act these Marines committed has nothing to do with being tough on the enemy. Yes war is immoral, innocent people will inevitably die, tragedy will happen, children will be killed as you point out. However there is a difference between leveling a house a terrorist is shooting at you from, and killing a child inside that building, and pissing on the bodies of the dead. Defeating the enemy is part of the mission, pissing on their bodies does not help that mission. Part of the mission is convincing the citizens of that country not to take up arms against us, pissing on them is not part of it. If you destroy a building and inadvertently kill a child, you didn't destroy the building to kill the child you did it to defeat the enemy inside, to save the lives of your comrades who were under fire. What does pissing on a body accomplish? It has no positive affect on you, only negative consequences can follow. THAT is the critical difference you need to realize.

    You may not agree with the mission or its parameters, but its your duty to follow it through to the up-most of your abilities. Its not your place to decide what the mission is or what it should be. You are not the decision maker for that kind of decision, you are given your parameters you are given your resources and you are given your mission and you execute it within those parameters.

    Now when you do something that involves the entire executive branch of government, when the President, SecDef, SecState, ambassadors, etc. You better have done something like won a Medal of Honor to justify individual attention at that high of a level. And regarding Article 134, if you do something that wastes all these people's time, that wastes your command's time dealing with your bull****, it takes time away from your buddies who need their attention for more positive reasons. Tell me what would you rather have your leadership doing, worrying that you have the resources you need to accomplish your mission safety, or worrying about what is going to happen because you decided to piss on a corpse? Or if these Marines are taken out the fight by higher command to stand trial by court martial, is that really worth whatever you accomplished by pissing on some bodies now that your unit is weaker for your comrades loss? No, NJP is completely out of the question.

    You can argue all you want that "Well thats not how it should be" but fact is, that's how it is. You can argue that all day, but it won't change what will obviously happen when you commit an act like this and you should know the kind of consequences that will come from it. You're still going to get busted, your mission will be damaged, your unit will be weaker, and it won't matter a damn how right you think you are, that's whats going to happen to your buddies. And not only will you hurt your mission, but you'll hurt the mission of the entire threatre and make it that much harder for people you've never met but are still your battle buddies to accomplish their mission. You must accept that as the reality.
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    Re: U.S. Marines Urinate On Dead Bodies In Afghanistan

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    Did you not see my earlier post where the Afghans condemned the action.

    Karzai condemns video of urination on corpses
    OMYGOSH NO WAY!!! man... next he's going to be saying we should give him money.....

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    Re: pee party

    Quote Originally Posted by SgtRock View Post
    The Taliban is responsible for some of the most agregious atrocities ever commited. Blowing up schools full of school girls because they don't believe women should be educated. Murdering 8 small boys, gunning them domn for laughing as they passed. Beating and torturing the children of Afghanis who cooperate with Americans. Mutilating torturing and beating women for appearing in public without a male relative or for what ever reason them see fit. And our Marines are animals for pissing on the corpses of these evil SOB's. Give me a break. I could go on listing intentional atrocities commited by the Taliban all night.
    There's no way to know who the corpse belongs to. Could be Taliban, could be Northern Alliance, could be one the many other factions, could be just a poor mechanic.

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