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U.S. Marines Urinate On Dead Bodies In Afghanistan

And one more thing.

TheNextEra said:
I just said that his comment of saying that people disagreeing with pissing on dead bodies is "aiding and abetting the enemy" is wrong.
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He didn't comment that disagreeing was treasonous. He commented that calling for dishonorables, making it out like a war crime and justifying terrorist acts because of it borders on teason. Just because you're losing a debate with me is no reason to misconstrue what he wrote in some kind of attempt to discredit him and sidetrack from your own undefendable comments.
 
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ecofarm said:
1. It is possible for free speech to be aiding and abetting the enemy.
2. He can say whatever he wants... free speech! haha

As I noted before. Just because speech is free does not place it beyond reproach.

Your point was asinine (as if free speech cannot be treasonous), ironic (as you wished to limit his free speech) and fail (please don't ask me to explain it again, I shan't).


One more thing. It's funnier (and more deeply ironic) because you were calling what he did stupid.


Regarding the 'hooked on phonics', I'm sure my education level (Phd) far exceeds yours. So if anyone needs to go to school, it's you - and that's MORE irony!


hah



ps. Why is kenvin going on about rape?
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None of what you posted shows where I said he wasn't ALLOWED to say what he did as you claim.

So then are you saying that complaining about pissing on dead bodies is aiding and abetting the enemy?
 
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ecofarm said:
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He didn't comment that disagreeing was treasonous. He commented that calling for dishonorables, making it out like a war crime and justifying terrorist acts because of it borders on teason. Just because you're losing a debate with me is no reason to misconstrue what he wrote in some kind of attempt to discredit him and sidetrack from your own undefendable comments.
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I'm losing nothing, you are. You claimed that I said he wasn't ALLOWED to say what he did. Nowhere did I say that. Your lies are noting for all to see.

Calling for a dishonorable discharge of the Marines (While I don't agree with it) is not aiding and abetting the enemy. Please try to keep up, you are looking kinda foolish right now.
 
Calling for a dishonorable is detached from reality and flagrantly apologetic. What about 'blowback' BS, I saw some of that.
 
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ecofarm said:
Calling for a dishonorable is detached from reality and flagrantly apologetic. What about 'blowback' BS, I saw some of that.
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People in the military have been discharged for less, so no it isn't detached from reality. Fact remains that the Marine Corps still could decide to give these soldiers dishonorable discharges. I wouldn't agree with it, but it isn't far from anything else that has happened.

Have no idea what "blowback BS" you are talking about.
 
TheNextEra said:
Using that logic, you can justify any illegal act by pointing and saying "Well they do worse". The Marine Corp knows this which is why the Marine Corp denounced the act as being against what the Marine Corp expects of it's Marines.

As much as you hate to see it, it was wrong.
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I never said it wasn't wrong, I'm saying arguing over this ad nauseum is killing military morale and helping the enemy spread propaganda.
 
American said:
I never said it wasn't wrong, I'm saying arguing over this ad nauseum is killing military morale and helping the enemy spread propaganda.
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It isn't killing military morale, trust me they are big boys and girls and if anything they just blow this off. Unless of course you can show me a Marine (not involved in the urinating incident) that is so distraught over the coverage of this that he/she cannot do their job.

As for helping the enemy spread propaganda, not a word of this could have been spoken in the media and the enemy STILL would be using the video to spread propaganda.

If you really want to get technical, the video is what is aiding and abetting the enemy right now.
 
TheNextEra said:
It isn't killing military morale, trust me they are big boys and girls and if anything they just blow this off. Unless of course you can show me a Marine (not involved in the urinating incident) that is so distraught over the coverage of this that he/she cannot do their job.

As for helping the enemy spread propaganda, not a word of this could have been spoken in the media and the enemy STILL would be using the video to spread propaganda.

If you really want to get technical, the video is what is aiding and abetting the enemy right now.
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Well then by all means, continue dragging down the Marines as you're doing. It won't hurt anything. Tell us how bad they are a few more times, we'll finally agree it was wrong.....AGAIN. :roll: But not as wrong as you want it to be.
 
Manc Skipper said:
Then stop.
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He is obviously saying that it is the ones bashing (arguing) the Marines ad nauseum are teh ones that are killing military morale and helping the enemy spread propaganda.
 
TheNextEra said:
It isn't killing military morale, trust me they are big boys and girls and if anything they just blow this off. Unless of course you can show me a Marine (not involved in the urinating incident) that is so distraught over the coverage of this that he/she cannot do their job.

As for helping the enemy spread propaganda, not a word of this could have been spoken in the media and the enemy STILL would be using the video to spread propaganda.

If you really want to get technical, the video is what is aiding and abetting the enemy right now.
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Killing military morale might be an over statement but stating that the soldiers would feel as if their government is letting them down would not be...

As for helping the enemy spread propoganda? It isn't helping the enemy spread propoganda literally but it is helping display disunity and lack of resolve over a minor issue. It is showing that we care more about peeing on a dead enemy combatant than they do about decapitating an innocent person... it shows weakness and that helps the enemy spread their message and recruit more terrorists...
 
ReverendHellh0und said:
You seem to be all into that. What is up with your concentration on rape?

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All is fair in war. They are terrorists who rape. The marines are justified in desecration of their corpses and raping them.
 
kenvin said:
All is fair in war. They are terrorists who rape. The marines are justified in desecration of their corpses and raping them.
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You do know that Saudi Arabia is basically what the Taliban had as a system of government, you do realize that, don't you? And who support's the Saudi's?

Also, regarding the bodies. I didn't see any guns, I didn't even see any shoes. I saw what looked like little boys on the ground. Some Taliban fighters, eh? Your comments are absolutely repugnant. There is no justification for this crime. If your child(god forbid) was raped by a neighbor, would that give you the right to rape his child? This is absolute madness.
 
"In a follow up to a statement released by the US Marine Corps regarding the identities of the four US marines who were filmed urinating upon the bodies of dead Taliban fighters in Afghanistan, the Marine Corps, which had previously stated that two of the four marines involved in the incident had been identified, have announced today that now all four marines in the video have been identified.

American military investigators announced that the four marines filmed in the video that was released anonymously onto YouTube had been identified and that a criminal investigation and inquiry was underway. Atleast two of the four accused have already been interviewed by the US Navy’s criminal investigation branch and the Marine Corps has announced that a three-star general, Lt Gen Thomas Waldhauser, had been appointed to determine what punitive measures were to be taken against the four marines and will also lead a Marine Corps investigation into the matter while the Naval Criminal Investigation Service will proceed with its own."

"Speaking on the incident, which has drawn wide condemnation from both US and Afghan authorities, Marine General John Allen, the US and Nato’s top commander in Afghanistan said that the investigation will seek to be prompt and wanted ‘the facts of the case to be established quickly,’ adding that, "These actions are in direct opposition to everything the military stands for. Such acts in no way reflect the high moral standards and values we expect of our armed forces on a daily basis."

"Experts have said that the marines’ actions ‘amount to’ a violation of the First Geneva Convention which calls for the humane treatment of the dead and within the US Uniform Code of Military Justice itself; the marines’ actions constitute bringing discredit to the armed forces."

All four marines identified in
 
kenvin said:
All is fair in war. They are terrorists who rape. The marines are justified in desecration of their corpses and raping them.
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Oglaigh said:
You do know that Saudi Arabia is basically what the Taliban had as a system of government, you do realize that, don't you? And who support's the Saudi's?

Also, regarding the bodies. I didn't see any guns, I didn't even see any shoes. I saw what looked like little boys on the ground. Some Taliban fighters, eh? Your comments are absolutely repugnant. There is no justification for this crime. If your child(god forbid) was raped by a neighbor, would that give you the right to rape his child? This is absolute madness.
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He isn't here to debate anything in a serious manner... don't worry about his comments. His argument was foolish and he has simply resorted to this one liner.
 
Bodhisattva said:
He isn't here to debate anything in a serious manner... don't worry about his comments. His argument was foolish and he has simply resorted to this one liner.
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I am simply going with the combination of arguments used to say the marines did nothing wrong. Each one has been used many times in this thread. We killed them that was worse than corpse desecration. They are terrorists. Finally they do worse so its ok.
Those are the set of positions that have been put forth throughout this thread.
 
kenvin said:
I am simply going with the combination of arguments used to say the marines did nothing wrong. Each one has been used many times in this thread. We killed them that was worse than corpse desecration. They are terrorists. Finally they do worse so its ok.
Those are the set of positions that have been put forth throughout this thread.
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Not by me or anybody else that I have noticed in the last pages since I joined the thread...
 
kenvin said:
Well indeed you haven't been reading many pages
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People in the pages that I have read have made different arguments than the ones that you address but all you keep doing is parroting some irrelevant "rape" analogy...
 
Bodhisattva said:
People in the pages that I have read have made different arguments than the ones that you address but all you keep doing is parroting some irrelevant "rape" analogy...
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Hey I am just saying that if decency doesn't matter than it doesn't.
 
kenvin said:
Hey I am just saying that if decency doesn't matter than it doesn't.
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Yeah... I get that. The point is that it is not indecent.
 
Bodhisattva said:
Yeah... I get that. The point is that it is not indecent.
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So your saying if you video yourself peeing on say your neighbours dead body you won't be charged with a crime. That stretches the imagination.
 
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