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    Re: U.S. Marines Urinate On Dead Bodies In Afghanistan

    Quote Originally Posted by StillBallin75 View Post
    A full 21 pages before this thread got Godwinned. I'm impressed.
    Just mentioning Nazis doesn't violate Godwin. It's only a Godwin violation if comparing the Taliban to Nazis is unfair or over the top rhetoric, which I don't think it is. Now, if people compared soldiers peeing on corpses to concentration camps or something, that would be a Godwin violation.

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    Re: U.S. Marines Urinate On Dead Bodies In Afghanistan

    Quote Originally Posted by StillBallin75 View Post
    Perhaps not, but i'd say that using something like this is probably more effective than whatever else they would have had up their sleeve anyway. Graphic images are some of the most powerful tools for recruitment (think of Abu Ghraib, or from the American perspective, the twin towers burning or battleship row being blown up). I'm not saying that this episode is even close to the order of magnitude of those other things, but for an organization like the Taliban, having more weapons is always better than having less.
    One can argue either way - but it's my view that if this picture nudges a person 1 point more towards joining the taliban and getting killed by Marines then it probably wouldn't have taken much to get that same person to join anyway. I'm sorry I just can't even muster up enough respect for these bozo Taliban types - I'm emotionally a door knob when it comes to hearing about a Marine pissing on dead Taliban. I tried being positive about the quicker decomposition thing and how it may help those who are still alive though. I'm trying...
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    Re: U.S. Marines Urinate On Dead Bodies In Afghanistan

    Quote Originally Posted by a777pilot View Post
    They do. Every day. All around the world.
    That's good. But apparently didn't happen in this case.

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    ^^
    Honestly, that's what gets me more than anything else.

    From a pragmatic point of view though, I'm not so outraged by the fact that they pissed on some Taliban; I'm more outraged by the fact that they decided to take photos that somehow ended up getting leaked. Piss on em if that's what it takes for you to blow off some steam, but photos? Did we not learn from Abu Ghraib? When will we learn from all these celebrities who like to take nekkid pics of themselves?
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    Re: U.S. Marines Urinate On Dead Bodies In Afghanistan

    Quote Originally Posted by StillBallin75 View Post
    That's good. But apparently didn't happen in this case.

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    ^^
    Honestly, that's what gets me more than anything else.

    From a pragmatic point of view though, I'm not so outraged by the fact that they pissed on some Taliban; I'm more outraged by the fact that they decided to take photos that somehow ended up getting leaked. Piss on em if that's what it takes for you to blow off some steam, but photos? When will we learn from all these celebrities who like to take nekkid pics of themselves?
    As a Marine, I could not agree more. I'm sure their SgtMaj had a very up close and personal counseling session with each and every one of these young Marines.

    Now, I'm waiting for the politicians to get involved and blow this all out of proportion to what really happened.
    I came into this world fighting, screaming and covered in someone else's blood. I have no problem going out the same way.

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    Re: U.S. Marines Urinate On Dead Bodies In Afghanistan

    Quote Originally Posted by Ockham View Post
    So here's where I get confused... you actually DO say a fetus is human, yet you're perfectly fine with that human being's life ending as a choice of a mother, because it doesn't have consciousness. Yet, you have a problem with a dead body (which also doesn't have a consciousness) being urinated on.
    Yes it is human. That's a fact. And yes, I am pro-choice and anti-urinating on dead bodies. I am not, however, pro-ending unborn children's lives. None of this is noteworthy.

    Is it just "disrespect" that's the problem in your view or is it something else? I don't think the Marine thought such an act would be one of kindness and love you know... so in that case, mission accomplished right?
    Sure, mission accomplished. The problem is that it's not a mission I support. As for why, I'll just repeat what I said to Wake: I think there's value in being better than the opposition. There's also value in not representing your country poorly. There's also value in not pissing off terrorists even more so that they'll have another video to use to recruit more terrorists who eventually kill you or other Americans.

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    Re: U.S. Marines Urinate On Dead Bodies In Afghanistan

    Quote Originally Posted by StillBallin75 View Post
    That's good. But apparently didn't happen in this case.

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    ^^
    Honestly, that's what gets me more than anything else.

    From a pragmatic point of view though, I'm not so outraged by the fact that they pissed on some Taliban; I'm more outraged by the fact that they decided to take photos that somehow ended up getting leaked. Piss on em if that's what it takes for you to blow off some steam, but photos? When will we learn from all these celebrities who like to take nekkid pics of themselves?
    They "leaked" photos. Pun intended? LOL

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    Re: U.S. Marines Urinate On Dead Bodies In Afghanistan

    Quote Originally Posted by a777pilot View Post
    As a Marine, I could not agree more. I'm sure their SgtMaj had a very up close and personal counseling session with each and every one of these young Marines.

    Now, I'm waiting for the politicians to get involved and blow this all out of proportion to what really happened.
    If I were a politician, I wouldn't even want to touch this, to be honest. I predict most politicians' responses - if they have one at all - would fall somewhere along the (noncontroversial) lines of "The behavior of these Marines does not represent the Corps as a whole, the matter is being investigated" something like that.

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    Re: U.S. Marines Urinate On Dead Bodies In Afghanistan

    Quote Originally Posted by Wake View Post
    1. They may not be better, but I certainly am not outraged by it. Sure, it's not nice to pee on a dead body, but the scales are tipped quite a bit when that person is part of a murderous organization, whether Taliban or NAZI. I have no sympathy for these murderers and I find them to be justified.
    I'm not outraged either. I also don't have sympathy for the Taliban. None of that has anything to do with what I said.

    4. How so? I'm not here to insult liberals. I will say that I see that more liberals than conservatives are outraged over this instance. ...or would you have me believe it is mainly the liberals who have no outrage at all for this instance?
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    Re: U.S. Marines Urinate On Dead Bodies In Afghanistan

    Quote Originally Posted by Wake View Post
    Alright. The Taliban is still guilty of heinousness and terrorism.
    Such as what?
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    Re: U.S. Marines Urinate On Dead Bodies In Afghanistan

    Quote Originally Posted by Ockham View Post
    One can argue either way - but it's my view that if this picture nudges a person 1 point more towards joining the taliban and getting killed by Marines then it probably wouldn't have taken much to get that same person to join anyway. I'm sorry I just can't even muster up enough respect for these bozo Taliban types - I'm emotionally a door knob when it comes to hearing about a Marine pissing on dead Taliban. I tried being positive about the quicker decomposition thing and how it may help those who are still alive though. I'm trying...
    Oh, don't get me wrong. I'm not one of those "I feel empathy with the dead Taliban" types (although I do believe that understanding the enemy's motivations is a key to defeating them - not all Taliban are the same, some are ideologically driven, some have suffered personal loss due to the war, some have family ties, some are simply being paid to fight).

    I do believe however, as I've repeated a couple of times, that the behavior of these Marines is out of line with their Core Values. As someone who highly respects the military and is considering joining, it's a bit like finding out one of your sports idols is kind of a douchebag.

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