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    Re: U.S. Marines Urinate On Dead Bodies In Afghanistan

    Quote Originally Posted by VanceMack View Post
    I agree...my biggest upset is that they are stupid enough to record their act AND post it. It doesnt reflect poorly on just those individuals. While I find their act idiotic, frankly, if someone has put a sniper bullet through my head...Im probably not all that fired up concerned over whether or not they have urinated on me after I am dead.

    I will give a lot of the 'outraged' or 'disgusted' voices (since people dont like the word 'outraged') a bit more credence when they are leading the charge expressing outrage over the atrocities committed by the Taliban and other terrorist entitities.
    aren't we supposed to be better than that? seriously? NO ONE condones the atrocities the taliban commits, and everyone should be outraged that our marines behave this way. it's disgusting and speaks to a serious lack of discipline.

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    Re: U.S. Marines Urinate On Dead Bodies In Afghanistan

    Quote Originally Posted by ThePlayDrive View Post
    What makes you think that those who are disgusted with the actions in the OP, wouldn't express the same in a thread about the Taliban?
    Perhaps the fact that I dont see people tripping over themselves to create threads and have yet to see anyone in THIS thread doing that very thing. TYPICALLY...some evil anti-Muslim type will post a story and picture showing burned bodies and the immediate response is to show how anti-Muslim the OP is and how the atrocities of a few dont reflect on the majority of the good honest peaceful folk that really just are loving and kind and would never do or support or condone such a thing (pictures of cheering crowds in the street to the contrary).

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    Re: U.S. Marines Urinate On Dead Bodies In Afghanistan

    Quote Originally Posted by VanceMack View Post
    I will give a lot of the 'outraged' or 'disgusted' voices (since people dont like the word 'outraged') a bit more credence when they are leading the charge expressing outrage over the atrocities committed by the Taliban and other terrorist entitities.
    For some, like myself, the reason I don't express outrage at the Taliban or terrorists (at least on an internet debate board) is this is what we have come to expect from the Taliban and terrorists. We know they are not honorable, we know their atrocities are worse, we know terrorists are generally bad people. I'm outraged but I just don't feel I need to express that here. I express it to people I know at home or friends I hang out with personally.

    The outrage or disgust from people comes from the fact people don't expect this from Marines. They have a higher expectation from them. That is actually a good thing. It generally means they have a good view of the Marines and military.

    Now where I will take offense from people's outrage or digust is when they try to paint the entire military that way. That's where I say it is too much and will gladly speak out against that type of broad bruch being painted.
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    Re: U.S. Marines Urinate On Dead Bodies In Afghanistan

    Quote Originally Posted by liblady View Post
    aren't we supposed to be better than that? seriously? NO ONE condones the atrocities the taliban commits, and everyone should be outraged that our marines behave this way. it's disgusting and speaks to a serious lack of discipline.
    Why? What is this magic bean that our military personnel are supposed to get that removes 'society' from the soldier? Better? I work with soldiers. I LOVE our military. I spent 20 years AD and a lifetime around the military. The organization teaches high standards and MOST of the people are just like society...PEOPLE with high standards. Some...are just like the average civilian and prone to the same bouts of occasional stupidity. Except maybe a LITTLE bit more intensified because of their experiences.

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    Re: U.S. Marines Urinate On Dead Bodies In Afghanistan

    Quote Originally Posted by liblady View Post
    aren't we supposed to be better than that? seriously? NO ONE condones the atrocities the taliban commits, and everyone should be outraged that our marines behave this way. it's disgusting and speaks to a serious lack of discipline.
    You have no idea what discipline is. Discipline is the fact that these snipers in that video can keep their eye in a scope for 8 plus hours, in the prone position, without moving, and still take an effective shot at up to 1,000 yards. Pissing on their bodies shows more of a lack or respect and disdain for the enemy than anything else. It also shows a complete breakdown in concern for their fellow man. At least, when that fellow man is of the mold that likes to plant IED's that kill their buddies, throw acid on little girl's faces, and cut women's noses off when they are raped. Always view a Marine or soldiers acts, in combat, in context before forming your opinion. I never said it was right, if you look through all my posts on this thread. But I sympathize with them on it because I've been there and know how they feel.
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    Re: U.S. Marines Urinate On Dead Bodies In Afghanistan

    Quote Originally Posted by TheNextEra View Post
    For some, like myself, the reason I don't express outrage at the Taliban or terrorists (at least on an internet debate board) is this is what we have come to expect from the Taliban and terrorists. We know they are not honorable, we know their atrocities are worse, we know terrorists are generally bad people.

    The outrage or disgust from people comes from the fact people don't expect this from Marines. They have a higher expectation from them. That is actually a good thing. It generally means they have a good view of the Marines and military.

    Now where I will take offense from people's outrage or digust is when they try to paint the entire military that way. That's where I say it is too much and will gladly speak out against that type of broad bruch being painted.
    I think we teach those standards and stand for higher standards. I just hope people are smart enough to accept that not every marine...not every soldier is going to embrace them 24/7. I've seen GOOD soldiers do incredibly STUPID things 'in the moment'. You can teach a lot of things but you cant program out human nature.

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    Re: U.S. Marines Urinate On Dead Bodies In Afghanistan

    I don't get the outrage. This type of thing probably happens a lot more often than people think. War is hell and soldiers get through it by dehumanizing their enemy. And its probably made worse by the fact that we have an enemy that doesn't play by the accepted "rules" of warfare.

    The part that warrants punishment in my mind is that they recorded it and shared it on the internet. But even there, let's be honest. Its not like terrorists had trouble recruiting before this. This incident gives the enemy a little extra piece of propaganda, but its not like there is going to be a surge of new Taliban recruits because of a video of a few guys pissing on some corpse. It did not seriously undermine our mission in anyway. And while we're speaking of the mission to win hearts and minds, let me add that armies are ill suited to do such tasks. Their purpose is splatter hearts and brains.

    All in all, if these guys are never identified and punished, I won't lose sleep over it. It's not like they are war criminals or something, which if we went by how strongly some people here are reacting, you might think they are.
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    Re: U.S. Marines Urinate On Dead Bodies In Afghanistan

    Quote Originally Posted by VanceMack View Post
    Why? What is this magic bean that our military personnel are supposed to get that removes 'society' from the soldier? Better? I work with soldiers. I LOVE our military. I spent 20 years AD and a lifetime around the military. The organization teaches high standards and MOST of the people are just like society...PEOPLE with high standards. Some...are just like the average civilian and prone to the same bouts of occasional stupidity. Except maybe a LITTLE bit more intensified because of their experiences.
    then don't complain when we see the same from our enemies. every instance of behavior like this is fodder for the world to condemn us. i also have high respect for our military, and it's sickening to see these people tarnish their reputation.

    Originally Posted by johnny_rebson:

    These are the same liberals who forgot how Iraq attacked us on 9/11.


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    Re: U.S. Marines Urinate On Dead Bodies In Afghanistan

    Quote Originally Posted by VanceMack View Post
    Perhaps the fact that I dont see people tripping over themselves to create threads and have yet to see anyone in THIS thread doing that very thing. TYPICALLY...some evil anti-Muslim type will post a story and picture showing burned bodies and the immediate response is to show how anti-Muslim the OP is and how the atrocities of a few dont reflect on the majority of the good honest peaceful folk that really just are loving and kind and would never do or support or condone such a thing (pictures of cheering crowds in the street to the contrary).
    First of all, this thread isn't about the Taliban, it's about the Marines so I don't understand how you could read so much into people not making their comments about the Taliban. Second, I doubt you trip over yourself to make threads about the Taliban either. Most people don't trip over anyone to make threads about anything. So again, I don't understand how you can read so much into people not 'tripping over themselves' to post a thread. 3. Saying that most Muslims aren't burning bodies is not the same thing as refusing to acknowledge that disgusting actions by the Taliban are, in fact, disgusting.

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    Re: U.S. Marines Urinate On Dead Bodies In Afghanistan

    Would all of you here and the world in general have been more or less "outraged" if these Marines had just covered the bodies of the dead enemy in pig fat?
    I came into this world fighting, screaming and covered in someone else's blood. I have no problem going out the same way.

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