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    Re: U.S. Marines Urinate On Dead Bodies In Afghanistan

    Quote Originally Posted by Bodhisattva View Post
    The point is not who attacked who but when and why we go to war.

    You favor going to war with countries that are of no military threat to us and don't have the capability to attack their neighbors???


    We could have sat back and done nothing in WWII as well as Korea, Vietnam and Iraq but we did. We did and we won.
    What did we win in Korea, Vietnam and Iraq?

    We won because we utterly destroyed them.
    LOL? So you think we defeated communism in Asia do you!!! And how long do you think it will be before the Iraqis topple the corrupt house of cards we built in Iraq???
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    Re: U.S. Marines Urinate On Dead Bodies In Afghanistan

    Quote Originally Posted by ecofarm View Post
    You don't seem to get the point. Equating collateral damage and terrorism is stupid.
    I consider collateral damage in a war for world hegemony to be terrorism, we just kill from further away with more sophisticated weapons.
    To me, sacrificing human lives for oil to be more morally reprehensible than killing for revenge, or in defending your country from foreign invaders.


    It's not about how many, but why. Terrorism, extremism and totalitarianism are responsible for killing (and oppressing) more than anyone.
    You prefer killing for hegemony?



    Oh, please. We still have units and personel there.
    There are no US troops in Iraq. I know McCain want troops stationed there indefinitely like in Korea and Japan. That's why we elected the other guy.





    You think the new government is the same as genocidal dictatorship? Well, let's look at things that are no longer legal in Iraq (as a result of the new government): Note: All of these were State-Sanctioned: genocide, mass torture, FGM, honor killings, rape rooms, mass murder, violation of UNSC resolutions, mass child starvation from selling oil-for-food, the use of chemical weapons against civilians, women being denied voting and education rights... The list goes on and on, but you just keep on pretending that a new democracy is the same thing as genocidal dictatorship.
    You list the things that Iraq was doing when we were their ally. Hell, our companies even provided the precursor Saddam needed to make the mustard gas he used not only on Iran but on his own people. When we invaded, Saddam was little more than a fat old man with a shotgun.

    And look what we replaced him with: Iraqi democracy crippled by widespread corruption



    A dishonorable and maximum public humiliation for pissing on a couple corpses? That is disconnected. What would other dishonorables even mean if we handed them out for school-yard BS. Your method would basically make a dishonorable the same as a general, since any (harmless!) dumb crap could result in one.
    Damn straight, especially for the non-commissioned officer that was one of the perps.



    Seriously, Cata, you don't see the difference between collateral damage and terrorism - or the difference between democracy and genocidal dictatorship. I'm starting to think there's no point in bothering with such insanity.
    Seriously Ecof, you think sacrificing civilians to make Iraq free for big oil's return is not immoral???

    I'd like to ask, are you Muslim? I find it strange that you support violence by Hamas but condemn US liberation.
    I'd like to ask if you are lacking morals? I have never condoned killing civilians. no matter what flag its done under, and don't understand those that draw a distinction that its ok for one side but not the other side.


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    Re: U.S. Marines Urinate On Dead Bodies In Afghanistan

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    You are just interested in the non-Saudi terrorists???
    Yes. I'm sure that's it. He's only interested in terrorists that are NOT Saudi.

    It's like you never try to figure anything out.


    don't understand those that draw a distinction that its ok for one side but not the other side.
    It's not about the side, but everything contextual. You need to stop thinking in sides and start thinking critically. It's really pretty fkd up that you can't see the difference between collateral damage and terrorism.

    And I've seen you like a post that claims "only by exercising military options" can Hamas bring Israel to the peace table, so spare me the consistency BS.
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    Re: U.S. Marines Urinate On Dead Bodies In Afghanistan

    Quote Originally Posted by ecofarm View Post
    Yes. I'm sure that's it. He's only interested in terrorists that are NOT Saudi.

    It's like you never try to figure anything out.
    How did you figure out Saudi terrorists are cool?



    It's not about the side, but everything contextual. You need to stop thinking in sides and start thinking critically. It's really pretty fkd up that you can't see the difference between collateral damage and terrorism.
    Tens of thousands of civilians killed for middle east oil hegemony is terrorism to those with morals.



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    Re: U.S. Marines Urinate On Dead Bodies In Afghanistan

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    You favor going to war with countries that are of no military threat to us and don't have the capability to attack their neighbors???
    I don't favor the wars in Vietnam or Iraq. The rest? Yes. And PC thugs have hindered our military...

    LOL? So you think we defeated communism in Asia do you!!! And how long do you think it will be before the Iraqis topple the corrupt house of cards we built in Iraq???
    I didn't write that well... I meant we utterly destroyed them in WWII.
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    Re: U.S. Marines Urinate On Dead Bodies In Afghanistan

    Quote Originally Posted by Bodhisattva View Post
    I don't favor the wars in Vietnam or Iraq.
    We are in agreement there.
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    Re: U.S. Marines Urinate On Dead Bodies In Afghanistan

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    I consider collateral damage in a war for world hegemony to be terrorism, we just kill from further away with more sophisticated weapons.
    To me, sacrificing human lives for oil to be more morally reprehensible than killing for revenge, or in defending your country from foreign invaders.
    Well, for me, this invalidates your opinion about war and even foreign policy. You think the US is the same as Hamas and Taliban, except we are more tech advanced. You think the US is more morally reprehensible than terrorists, since they only kill for revenge and to defend themselves while the US kills for oil. You completely ignore that Saddam was a genocidal dictator with government rape rooms. FGM, honor killings and the rest being legal... you don't care. You only care about one thing, and that's the US being worse than terrorists. Your foreign policy understanding should be relegated to the CT section.

    To label your position as sympathizing with terrorists would be an understatement.
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    Re: U.S. Marines Urinate On Dead Bodies In Afghanistan

    Quote Originally Posted by ecofarm View Post
    Well, for me, this invalidates your opinion about war and even foreign policy. You think the US is the same as Hamas and Taliban, except we are more tech advanced. You think the US is more morally reprehensible than terrorists, since they only kill for revenge and to defend themselves while the US kills for oil. You completely ignore that Saddam was a genocidal dictator with government rape rooms. FGM, honor killings and the rest being legal... you don't care. You only care about one thing, and that's the US being worse than terrorists. Your foreign policy understanding should be relegated to the CT section.

    To label your position as sympathizing with terrorists would be an understatement.
    Nice strawman:


    That's not even close to what I said.
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    Re: U.S. Marines Urinate On Dead Bodies In Afghanistan

    It's exactly what you wrote. Read the bold parts again and think about it critically. You claimed that the US did the same as terrorists, just from farther away; even better, you went further - that killing for revenge and 'defending ones country' is morally superior to war for oil... That is very clearly claiming moral superiority for the terrorists.

    You flat-out wrote that collateral damage is terrorism, but worse.

    terrorism, we just kill from further away with more sophisticated weapons... To me, sacrificing human lives for oil to be more morally reprehensible
    That's clear. Perhaps you are a strawman, but you should own your words.

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    Re: U.S. Marines Urinate On Dead Bodies In Afghanistan

    Quote Originally Posted by ecofarm View Post
    It's exactly what you wrote. Read the bold parts again and think about it critically. You claimed that the US did the same as terrorists, just from farther away; even better, you went further - that killing for revenge and 'defending ones country' is morally superior to war for oil... That is very clearly claiming moral superiority for the terrorists.

    You flat-out wrote that collateral damage is terrorism, but worse.



    That's clear. Perhaps you are a strawman, but you should own your words.
    You only put bold emphasis on the parts that fit your biased view of my position.

    Here it is in context with bold emphasis on the parts you left out in your diatribe:

    "I consider collateral damage in a war for world hegemony to be terrorism, we just kill from further away with more sophisticated weapons.
    To me, sacrificing human lives for oil to be more morally reprehensible than killing for revenge, or in defending your country from foreign invaders.
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