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    Re: U.S. Marines Urinate On Dead Bodies In Afghanistan

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    The Muslims around the world have not killed a fraction of the number killed by the US military in various places throughout the world in modern history.
    Muslims have killed more people in the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan and the U.S. has killed less people than their enemies in all modern wars which it has been engaged in.

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    Re: U.S. Marines Urinate On Dead Bodies In Afghanistan

    Quote Originally Posted by Stormageddon View Post
    Muslims have killed more people in the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan and the U.S. has killed less people than their enemies in all modern wars which it has been engaged in.
    Where did you read that?
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    Re: U.S. Marines Urinate On Dead Bodies In Afghanistan

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    Where did you read that?
    Which part?

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    Re: U.S. Marines Urinate On Dead Bodies In Afghanistan

    Quote Originally Posted by Stormageddon View Post
    Which part?
    Any of it....
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    Re: U.S. Marines Urinate On Dead Bodies In Afghanistan

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    Any of it....
    Let's start with the most recent wars in Iraq and Afghanistan:

    Taliban Causes Most Civilian Deaths in Afghanistan, U.N. Says
    By ALISSA J. RUBIN
    Published: March 9, 2011

    KABUL, Afghanistan — Last year was the deadliest of more than nine years of war for Afghan civilians, the United Nations reported Wednesday, attributing 75 percent of the deaths to attacks by Taliban and other insurgents rather than coalition forces.

    http://www.nytimes.com/2011/03/10/wo...ghanistan.html

    The UN Assistance Mission in Afghanistan (UNAMA) and the Afghanistan Independent Human Rights Commission (AIHRC) attributed 1,167 Afghan civilian deaths as having been caused by anti-government elements in the first six months of 2011, up 28% from the same period in 2010 and representing 79.8% of the total 1,462 Afghan civilian deaths they recorded in the conflict during this period.


    http://unama.unmissions.org/Portals/...rt%20Final.pdf
    Researchers have found that while coalition forces accounted for 12 per cent of deaths and Iraqi forces 11 per cent, the vast majority of violent killings were killed by unknown perpetrators.

    Of those by far the biggest proportion – around a third of the total – was summary executions and kidnappings between rival factions and gangs as law and order broke down.

    The study by King’s College London, published in PLoS Medicine, provides the most detailed assessment so far of civilian deaths in the course of the conflict.

    PLoS Medicine: Violent Deaths of Iraqi Civilians, 2003

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    Re: U.S. Marines Urinate On Dead Bodies In Afghanistan

    Quote Originally Posted by Stormageddon View Post
    Let's start with the most recent wars in Iraq and Afghanistan:
    "Over One Million Iraqi Deaths Caused by US Occupation

    Sources:
    After Downing Street, July 6, 2007
    Title: “Is the United States Killing 10,000 Iraqis Every Month? Or Is It More?”
    Author: Michael Schwartz
    AlterNet, September 17, 2007
    Title: “Iraq death toll rivals Rwanda genocide, Cambodian killing fields”
    Author: Joshua Holland
    Reuters (via AlterNet), January 7, 2008
    Title: “Iraq conflict has killed a million, says survey”
    Author: Luke Baker
    Inter Press Service, March 3, 2008
    Title: “Iraq: Not our country to Return to”
    Authors: Maki al-Nazzal and Dahr Jamail"

    "Over one million Iraqis have met violent deaths as a result of the 2003 invasion, according to a study conducted by the prestigious British polling group, Opinion Research Business (ORB). These numbers suggest that the invasion and occupation of Iraq rivals the mass killings of the last century—the human toll exceeds the 800,000 to 900,000 believed killed in the Rwandan genocide in 1994, and is approaching the number (1.7 million) who died in Cambodia’s infamous “Killing Fields” during the Khmer Rouge era of the 1970s.
    ORB’s research covered fifteen of Iraq’s eighteen provinces. Those not covered include two of Iraq’s more volatile regions—Kerbala and Anbar—and the northern province of Arbil, where local authorities refused them a permit to work. In face-to-face interviews with 2,414 adults, the poll found that more than one in five respondents had had at least one death in their household as a result of the conflict, as opposed to natural cause.
    Authors Joshua Holland and Michael Schwartz point out that the dominant narrative on Iraq—that most of the violence against Iraqis is being perpetrated by Iraqis themselves and is not our responsibility—is ill conceived. Interviewers from the Lancet report of October 2006 (Censored 2006, #2) asked Iraqi respondents how their loved ones died. Of deaths for which families were certain of the perpetrator, 56 percent were attributable to US forces or their allies. Schwartz suggests that if a low pro rata share of half the unattributed deaths were caused by US forces, a total of approximately 80 percent of Iraqi deaths are directly US perpetrated.
    Even with the lower confirmed figures, by the end of 2006, an average of 5,000 Iraqis had been killed every month by US forces since the beginning of the occupation. However, the rate of fatalities in 2006 was twice as high as the overall average, meaning that the American average in 2006 was well over 10,000 per month, or over 300 Iraqis every day. With the surge that began in 2007, the current figure is likely even higher."

    #1. Over One Million Iraqi Deaths Caused by US Occupation | Project Censored

    "According to the UN, in Afghanistan the number of civilians killed since 2006 would be “only” 9,759, of which 6,269 were killed by antigovernment forces, and 2,723 by coalition or regular army forces. Another 6,300 to 23,600 civilian deaths resulting directly or indirectly from the war between 2001 – 2003 should be added to this statistic."

    "The 9/11 attacks resulted in 2,996 casualties, which included 343 firefighters and 59 police officers who were in trying to save victims inside the World Trade Center. The War on Terror launched by George W. Bush Jr. has led to at least 227,000 people (more than 300,000 according to other estimates). This includes 116,657 civilians (51%) between 76 - 108,000 insurgents or Taliban Islamists (34% to 36%), 25,297 Iraqi and Afghan soldiers (11%), and 8,975 American, British, and other coalition forces (3.9%)."

    The War on Terror in numbers » OWNI.eu, News, Augmented
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    Re: U.S. Marines Urinate On Dead Bodies In Afghanistan

    "According to the UN, in Afghanistan the number of civilians killed since 2006 would be “only” 9,759, of which 6,269 were killed by antigovernment forces, and 2,723 by coalition or regular army forces. Another 6,300 to 23,600 civilian deaths resulting directly or indirectly from the war between 2001 – 2003 should be added to this statistic."
    So Coalition troops and regular army forces were responsible for 2,723 deaths while another 30,000 or so, depending on the 6,300 to 23,600, were killed by Muslims. Is that correct?
    "The 9/11 attacks resulted in 2,996 casualties, which included 343 firefighters and 59 police officers who were in trying to save victims inside the World Trade Center. The War on Terror launched by George W. Bush Jr. has led to at least 227,000 people (more than 300,000 according to other estimates). This includes 116,657 civilians (51%) between 76 - 108,000 insurgents or Taliban Islamists (34% to 36%), 25,297 Iraqi and Afghan soldiers (11%), and 8,975 American, British, and other coalition forces (3.9%)."
    According to this source The War on Terror launched by George W. Bush Jr. was responsible for all deaths in Iraq with no Islamic terrorists involved whatsoever. And you agree with that, huh?

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    Re: U.S. Marines Urinate On Dead Bodies In Afghanistan

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    So Coalition troops and regular army forces were responsible for 2,723 deaths while another 30,000 or so, depending on the 6,300 to 23,600, were killed by Muslims. Is that correct?
    2,723 added to another 6,300 to 23,600 killed by the US compared to 6,279 killed by anti-government forces.


    According to this source The War on Terror launched by George W. Bush Jr. was responsible for all deaths in Iraq with no Islamic terrorists involved whatsoever. And you agree with that, huh?
    Most were, look at the number of violent death occurring in Iraq and Afghanistan before and after our wars on them.

    "More households were surveyed, allowing for a 95% confidence interval of 392,979 to 942,636 excess Iraqi deaths."
    Lancet surveys of Iraq War casualties - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

    That's the number of violent deaths in excess of the number of violent deaths in Iraq before our invasion/occupation.
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    Re: U.S. Marines Urinate On Dead Bodies In Afghanistan

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    2,723 added to another 6,300 to 23,600 killed by the US compared to 6,279 killed by anti-government forces.
    But that's not what your link says. It clearly states that 2,723 were killed by Coalition forces. That's it.

    Most were, look at the number of violent death occurring in Iraq and Afghanistan before and after our wars on them.

    "More households were surveyed, allowing for a 95% confidence interval of 392,979 to 942,636 excess Iraqi deaths."
    Lancet surveys of Iraq War casualties - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

    That's the number of violent deaths in excess of the number of violent deaths in Iraq before our invasion/occupation.

    The Lancet article has long been discredited and you are blaming the Coalition for every death in Iraq, none by Muslim terrorists. That runs contrary to everything we know about Iraq.

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    Re: U.S. Marines Urinate On Dead Bodies In Afghanistan

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    But that's not what your link says. It clearly states that 2,723 were killed by Coalition forces. That's it.


    The Lancet article has long been discredited and you are blaming the Coalition for every death in Iraq, none by Muslim terrorists. That runs contrary to everything we know about Iraq.
    You need to re-read the article because that number was "since 2006." There was another 6,300 - 23,600 killed before 2006.

    The Lancet numbers are better sourced than any other numbers out there. Of course there were deaths caused by Muslims, but they pale in comparison to the numbers killed by the US.
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