I only want to hear what military memebers and especially Marines have to say.
I am a MARINE, status: Retired. .....different time, different war
"There are only two kinds of people that understand Marines: Marines and the enemy. Everyone else has a second-hand opinion." — Gen. William Thornson, U.S. Army
I came into this world fighting, screaming and covered in someone else's blood. I have no problem going out the same way.
And you dont think thats just a REALLY stupid defense of your partisan hack stand? You dont hold democrats to a higher standard because somewhere someone in their family tree must have served???? Seriously???
War changes each individual beyond what most people can conceive, even if you have been trained to go to war. You quickly learn to become desensitized. You soon see what happens to people who can't handle it. Some go bat **** crazy. Some curl up in a fetal ball, I've seen that. It sickens you to see that crap. Some people want to kill everybody. No one is the civilian or even the stateside soldier they once were. People don't reduce themselves in war, war reduces people. THAT is something you clearly cannot fathom.
We don't know the situation in the video, we don't know what those grunts have been through up to the minute the video was made. We don't know, we weren't there. If you have been to war you see a lot **** no one would believe. Some you never talk about, some you don't talk about to family or friends, some you only talk about to other veterans, some you only talk about to people you served with, some you don't even want to think about.
Marineteapartier has the correct response in my opinion and that is to chew the asses off those involved and be done with it.
The last thing these people need is a gaggle of yammering clueless civilians ****ing with them. Let the military handle its own. People in the military walk the talk. They're doing what very few Americans are willing to do. So y'all shut the hell up.
If you feel too strongly to let it go then march your butt down to the recruiter and raise your hand to "Protect against all enemies foreign and domestic". Tell the recruiter you want to go to war soonest so you can straighten out the kind of crap some of you are whining about here. Stop complaining and do something for your country and if you are unwilling to make the massive sacrifices these people and their families make, be quiet.
I was USAF Security Police, different time, different war.
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"When Faith preaches Hate, Blessed are the Doubters." - Amin Maalouf
I understand why they did it. Put in the same situation that they were just in, I might even be inclined to do it myself. However, I would not be overly suprised that because of that action I would receive at the very least nonjudicial punishment for it.
As for telling people to shut up just because they have an opinion, isn't exactly in the spirit of debate now is it? Free speech is free speech.
Again, you're just restating your experiences and trying to "educate" me after I've already stated that their actions are understandable. This just proves that instead of actually hearing what I'm saying, you're just blocking it out.As to the action of the Marines, their mistake was in filming it. I can assure that 99.5% of their time in-country is NOT thinking about being representatives of the United States. For Christsakes, Marines are not deployed to be nice and make friends. Those bastards live like animals, get the ****tiest missions and are continually short supplied, with, more often than not, not the latest of weapons. They are expected to outfight and outlast every enemy they encounter and they almost always do, at great personal sacrifice. That is SOP for Marines. If they want to pee on dead people, go ahead on. If anyone has a problem with it it should only be other Marines.
You're argument amounts to: "You just don't understand, so your opinion is invalid." The problem with this argument is that I actually have family members who are Marines (vets) who have agreed with my position in the past when talking about similar situations to these. So "not understanding" is clearly not the problem. The other problem, again, is that I've said about 5 times now that the actions are understandable because I am aware that Marines are not "deployed to be nice and make friends" even though you condescendingly repeat the same nonsense over and over again as if a civilians could not POSSIBLY have a valid disagreement with you while understanding that war is disgusting and dirty.
Why don't you tell that to both my uncles who served as Marines and agree with me? Why don't you tell that to my father who served in the Army and agreed with me? As hard as you attempt to imply that my position is invalid because I'm not a Marine, you continually ignore the fact that Marines can and do make the same argument which pisses on your position.My best friend, 3/3, was chopped up like hamburger on Hill 881. Read some Marine history and tell us about standards of conduct.
Read some Marine history.
Like I said, it's understandable. It's still disgusting and a poor representation of our country.
Last edited by ThePlayDrive; 01-12-12 at 10:14 AM.
"It ain't what they call you, it's what you answer to." - W. C. Fields