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    Re: U.S. Marines Urinate On Dead Bodies In Afghanistan

    Quote Originally Posted by kenvin View Post
    Ok I googled.

    I think you hurt your point as he is facing a serious court martial. So if if you want them to have the same consequences they are in deep trouble.
    No, I didn't hurt my point.

    Allow me to ask the question, again...

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    How many of the hand wringers want to see Aaron Watada see the same punishment?

    He committed a crime, in uniform and was arrested, in uniform. He dishonored his service and disgraced his uniform. Should be be court martialed and dishonorably disharged?
    Care to tackle the actual question?

    Another question:

    Does Dan Choi deserve the same punishment as these Marines?
    Quote Originally Posted by Top Cat View Post
    At least Bill saved his transgressions for grown women. Not suggesting what he did was OK. But he didn't chase 14 year olds.

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    Re: U.S. Marines Urinate On Dead Bodies In Afghanistan

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    No, I didn't hurt my point.

    Allow me to ask the question, again...



    Care to tackle the actual question?

    Another question:

    Does Dan Choi deserve the same punishment as these Marines?
    What precisely were the crimes Watada and Choi were guilty of? Care to actually name them?

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    Re: U.S. Marines Urinate On Dead Bodies In Afghanistan

    Quote Originally Posted by StillBallin75 View Post
    What precisely were the crimes Watada and Choi were guilty of? Care to actually name them?
    Sure!

    Watada: failure to deploy, dereliction of duty and disobeying a lawful order

    Choi: Violating DADT, conduct unbecoming an officer and violation of Army uniform regulations.

    *For the record, I think that Watad should go to prison for the rest of his life and Choi shouldn't face anything more than NJP, but the question has been tabled to the Libbos that think these Marines need to burn. Let's see how many hypocrites we have on this thread.
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    At least Bill saved his transgressions for grown women. Not suggesting what he did was OK. But he didn't chase 14 year olds.

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    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    Sure!

    Watada: failure to deploy, dereliction of duty and disobeying a lawful order

    Choi: Violating DADT, conduct unbecoming an officer and violation of Army uniform regulations.

    *For the record, I think that Watad should go to prison for the rest of his life and Choi shouldn't face anything more than NJP, but the question has been tabled to the Libbos that think these Marines need to burn. Let's see how many hypocrites we have on this thread.
    Watad court martial for sure Choi NJP if that. The guys who pissed on the corpses dishonorable discharge.

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    Re: U.S. Marines Urinate On Dead Bodies In Afghanistan

    Quote Originally Posted by kenvin View Post
    Watad court martial for sure Choi NJP if that. The guys who pissed on the corpses dishonorable discharge.
    So, you want these Marines to face a harsher punishment for breaking the same rules? Really?
    Quote Originally Posted by Top Cat View Post
    At least Bill saved his transgressions for grown women. Not suggesting what he did was OK. But he didn't chase 14 year olds.

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    Re: U.S. Marines Urinate On Dead Bodies In Afghanistan

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    Sure!

    Watada: failure to deploy, dereliction of duty and disobeying a lawful order
    Those were offenses he was charged with, not necessarily charges that he was guilty of.

    Watada's argument was that under the doctrine of command responsibility, he had both the moral duty and obligation to disobey what he viewed as an illegal order. Since there no objective evaluation as to whether or not the Iraq War was legal or illegal under international law, Watada's actual guilt or innocence of those charges is an entirely subjective judgment.

    Choi: Violating DADT, conduct unbecoming an officer and violation of Army uniform regulations.
    Those aren't really "crimes" per se, but wasn't he appropriately punished for all of those?

    *For the record, I think that Watad should go to prison for the rest of his life and Choi shouldn't face anything more than NJP, but the question has been tabled to the Libbos that think these Marines need to burn. Let's see how many hypocrites we have on this thread.
    I don't know what the appropriate punishment is, but the important thing they should know is just how stupid they were to allow themselves to be videotaped and have it end up on the Internet.

    I dunno what the appropriate punishment is,

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    Re: U.S. Marines Urinate On Dead Bodies In Afghanistan

    Quote Originally Posted by StillBallin75 View Post
    Those were offenses he was charged with, not necessarily charges that he was guilty of.

    Watada's argument was that under the doctrine of command responsibility, he had both the moral duty and obligation to disobey what he viewed as an illegal order. Since there no objective evaluation as to whether or not the Iraq War was legal or illegal under international law, Watada's actual guilt or innocence of those charges is an entirely subjective judgment.



    Those aren't really "crimes" per se, but wasn't he appropriately punished for all of those?



    I don't know what the appropriate punishment is, but the important thing they should know is just how stupid they were to allow themselves to be videotaped and have it end up on the Internet.

    I dunno what the appropriate punishment is,
    Hypocrisy reigns supreme. I love it!

    Watada wasn't guilty? Nice!!!
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    At least Bill saved his transgressions for grown women. Not suggesting what he did was OK. But he didn't chase 14 year olds.

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    Re: U.S. Marines Urinate On Dead Bodies In Afghanistan

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    Hypocrisy reigns supreme. I love it!
    Mind showing me where I was actually being a hypocrite?

    Watada wasn't guilty? Nice!!!
    Is there something wrong with your reading comprehension? Where did I say that?

    He certainly wasn't found guilty. Whether or not he is ACTUALLY guilty is a subjective judgment. That's what I said. If you wanna put words in my mouth at least have the balls to admit that you're being dishonest.

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    Re: U.S. Marines Urinate On Dead Bodies In Afghanistan

    Quote Originally Posted by StillBallin75 View Post
    Mind showing me where I was actually being a hypocrite?



    Is there something wrong with your reading comprehension? Where did I say that?

    He certainly wasn't found guilty. Whether or not he is ACTUALLY guilty is a subjective judgment. That's what I said.
    You want these Marines punished with a courts martial, yet want to deny any guilt on the part of Choi and Watada.

    Watada was issued an order to deploy to an opeartional theater and he refused to deploy. That's illegal.
    Quote Originally Posted by Top Cat View Post
    At least Bill saved his transgressions for grown women. Not suggesting what he did was OK. But he didn't chase 14 year olds.

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    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    So, you want these Marines to face a harsher punishment for breaking the same rules? Really?
    Dishonorable discharge isn't harsher than a court marshal that can carry time in a military prison.

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