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    Re: U.S. Marines Urinate On Dead Bodies In Afghanistan

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    Were these Marines drafted, or did they join voluntarily?

    Afraid I am too old, however I have served my country, as did my Dad, Granddad, and my Son.
    I find it very hard to believe that you've ever served in the military, much less found yourself exposed in someone else's kill zone, if you think this rates a dishonarable disacharge.

    What's more amazing is--and correct me if I'm wrong--you're one of the cats that has defended Bradley Manning.
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    At least Bill saved his transgressions for grown women. Not suggesting what he did was OK. But he didn't chase 14 year olds.

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    Re: U.S. Marines Urinate On Dead Bodies In Afghanistan

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    Gee whiz! Do tell us which articles of the UCMJ they violated.
    Article 134, issue an article 15, suspended temporary reduction in rank. Absolved pending successful completion of mission without further incident. Maybe make them write "I will not pee on the enemy" 100 times in the sand. A verbalized apology to their fellow marines. I can understand someone that has never been in the military getting their silkies twisted over this. Someone that has actually served in ANY capacity? This **** is trivial in wartime. A little unit corrective action and press on.

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    Re: U.S. Marines Urinate On Dead Bodies In Afghanistan

    Quote Originally Posted by VanceMack View Post
    Article 134, issue an article 15, suspended temporary reduction in rank. Absolved pending successful completion of mission without further incident. Maybe make them write "I will not pee on the enemy" 100 times in the sand. A verbalized apology to their fellow marines. I can understand someone that has never been in the military getting their silkies twisted over this. Someone that has actually served in ANY capacity? This **** is trivial in wartime. A little unit corrective action and press on.
    A violation of article 134 is a big maybe. I don't disagree that there should be some kind of NJP, but not the lynching that some are suggesting.

    Morale needs to be taken into consideration. If these men are popular in their unit and the ones that are NCOs are good leaders and respected by their troops, then too severe of a punishment could cause a breakdown in morale and discipline within the platoon and frankly this incident isn't worth it.
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    At least Bill saved his transgressions for grown women. Not suggesting what he did was OK. But he didn't chase 14 year olds.

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    Re: U.S. Marines Urinate On Dead Bodies In Afghanistan

    Quote Originally Posted by ReverendHellh0und View Post
    So what do you think should happen to these soldiers? specifically. These "lowlifes" left thier families behind to fight for thier country in a hellish warzone where our VP states that these taliban savages are "not our enemy" all while they kill our soldiers..... Some would say these "lowlifes" have done more and are willing to do more than some of thier internet detractors. War is hell, if your bothered that much about how they treated those poor poor taliban savages, perhaps you should go join jihad.
    I had friends in the first Gulf War and also two in the Black Hawk Down incident in Mogidishu (sp?) and they talked some about how hellish war can be, not that it takes a lot of imagination. Just horrible stuff and if a little peeing is as bad as these guys got then maybe they should be put on latrine duty for a week but beyond that discussing this in terms of them being bad guys is an insult to the armed forces and everybody in them.
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    Re: U.S. Marines Urinate On Dead Bodies In Afghanistan

    Quote Originally Posted by VanceMack View Post
    Article 134, issue an article 15, suspended temporary reduction in rank. Absolved pending successful completion of mission without further incident. Maybe make them write "I will not pee on the enemy" 100 times in the sand. A verbalized apology to their fellow marines. I can understand someone that has never been in the military getting their silkies twisted over this. Someone that has actually served in ANY capacity? This **** is trivial in wartime. A little unit corrective action and press on.
    I can't even imagine what these whiners would be screaming about if there was this kind of press during WWII.
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    Re: U.S. Marines Urinate On Dead Bodies In Afghanistan

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    A violation of article 134 is a big maybe. I don't disagree that there should be some kind of NJP, but not the lynching that some are suggesting.

    Morale needs to be taken into consideration. If these men are popular in their unit and the ones that are NCOs are good leaders and respected by their troops, then too severe of a punishment could cause a breakdown in morale and discipline within the platoon and frankly this incident isn't worth it.
    I know that if I ever met these guys I would be first in line to buy them some beers...
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    Re: U.S. Marines Urinate On Dead Bodies In Afghanistan

    "Four US marines identified by the military as the soldiers filmed urinating on corpses in Afghanistan are likely to face a court martial after an American military commander said such actions are a "grave breach" of the laws of war."

    War News Updates: US Marines Likely To Face Court Martial For Urinating On Dead Taliban Fighters

    I trust the military to handle this in an appropriate manner that they feel best suits the action.
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    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    A violation of article 134 is a big maybe. I don't disagree that there should be some kind of NJP, but not the lynching that some are suggesting.

    Morale needs to be taken into consideration. If these men are popular in their unit and the ones that are NCOs are good leaders and respected by their troops, then too severe of a punishment could cause a breakdown in morale and discipline within the platoon and frankly this incident isn't worth it.
    First person that gets to stand tall is the moron that filmed it and posted it. I agree and again...precisely the difference between people that have a little bit of experience in the field and people that have the luxury of sitting at home and being outraged. This type of incident is WHY the military provides for non judicial punishment.

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    Re: U.S. Marines Urinate On Dead Bodies In Afghanistan

    Quote Originally Posted by Connery View Post
    Point being in a "war" it is accepted that civilians will get hurt or killed yet the war goes on anyway regardless of that scenario.
    That's a stupid point and it surely does not equate US military action with terrorism, as your 'good' definition and defense of it did.

    My purpose in citing this was to qualify a definition that was deemed stupid by another poster. Terrorism is about terror not just directed toward civilians by all people.
    Terror "directed" towards actively hostile military forces during war is terrorism? No dude. Terrorism is targetting civilians. That's a good definition; some of it is explained in terminology (targetting referring to intentional physical engagement) and it's boiled down to its most defining modern element.

    Do not continue to push your definition as a good one. It is grossly insufficient and will not satisfy the slightest examination.





    Also, what's up with wanting a dishonorable discharge for this? I think that's pretty much off the ledge. I wonder if any other poster would/will support that position in the debate regarding appropriate punishment.
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    Re: U.S. Marines Urinate On Dead Bodies In Afghanistan

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    "Four US marines identified by the military as the soldiers filmed urinating on corpses in Afghanistan are likely to face a court martial after an American military commander said such actions are a "grave breach" of the laws of war."

    War News Updates: US Marines Likely To Face Court Martial For Urinating On Dead Taliban Fighters

    I trust the military to handle this in an appropriate manner that they feel best suits the action.


    that's unfortunate, they will become a sacrificial lamb to this administration. Pathetic.
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