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    Re: U.S. Marines Urinate On Dead Bodies In Afghanistan

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    Do I care what the experts think that the Pentagon hired to assess the effectiveness of the war on terror? Of course, do you hire experts than ignore their findings? Thanks for your unsubstantiated opinion there anonymous internet guy. I think I will go by the experts commissioned by the Pentagon.
    This is why they are not to be taken seriously.

    To wit, the study concludes that the "war on terrorism" has been a failure, and that the efforts against terrorism should not be characterized as a "war" at all. Rather, Rand suggests that the U.S. efforts at battling terrorism be considered, "counterterrorism" instead.
    When they bicker about whether it should be called the "War on Terror" or "Counter-terrorsim", then you know these are not serious people.

    I'd be interested to know who their friends they have in Washington and what their fees might be.

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    Re: U.S. Marines Urinate On Dead Bodies In Afghanistan

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    This is why they are not to be taken seriously.
    Don't trust experts, eh?

    Who do you go to for your medical care?
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    Re: U.S. Marines Urinate On Dead Bodies In Afghanistan

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    Don't trust experts, eh?

    Who do you go to for your medical care?
    You go to Rand Corporation for your medical care?

    I should have guessed.

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    Re: U.S. Marines Urinate On Dead Bodies In Afghanistan

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    You go to Rand Corporation for your medical care?

    I should have guessed.
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    The military goes to the experts, the Rand Corp, for the same reason you go to an expert when you are sick.
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    Re: U.S. Marines Urinate On Dead Bodies In Afghanistan

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    You would have understand what creates terrorists to understand why pissing on the dead, hurts rather than helps, the efforts to end terrorism.
    You dont seem to understand a terrorists motivation either... They arent lobbying for political change. They arent unionizing so they can get better treatment. They are on a religious crusade to kill everyone on the earth who will not embrace Islam. They make no effort to hide their intentions, so i see no reason why we should be scared of offending them. When we start changing our behavior based on a fear of their response, they win. Thats why they are called TERROR-ists! They rule through terror.

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    Re: U.S. Marines Urinate On Dead Bodies In Afghanistan

    Human Rights Watch reports that 1,633 Afghan civilians were killed in 2007 and 929 in 2006. And, those killed in U.S. bomb attacks are accounting for a greater and greater proportion of the civilian deaths as that war goes on. As the Rand Corporation predicts in such circumstances, this has only led to an increase in popular support for those resisting the U.S. military onslaught. In short, the war is counterproductive."
    Anyone have numbers for civilians killed in Afghan for 2008, 9, 10 or 11? If those numbers went down significantly (and I think they did), that ruins the doom-and-gloom of the report. Wasn't 08 about the time when the general in charge over there went 'hearts and minds' with baiting and precision hits for the terrorists and much less bombing?

    At any rate, we certainly did not continue in the circumstances of 2006 to 2007; when civilian deaths from airstrikes tripled.

    Was the report released during the 'push'?

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    "In the United States, violence accounts for approximately 51,000 deaths annually."CDC violence prevention page

    People (especially the news) like to quote death statistics to make our presence seem more unpopular than it really is. There will always be people that are unhappy with a foreign military presence but it's not like everyone is against us.

    Since many of our enemies dress just like everyone else it is a common propaganda tactic to say someone we killed was an innocent civilian when in fact they were not.

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    Re: U.S. Marines Urinate On Dead Bodies In Afghanistan

    Quote Originally Posted by Paratrooper View Post
    "In the United States, violence accounts for approximately 51,000 deaths annually."CDC violence prevention page

    People (especially the news) like to quote death statistics to make our presence seem more unpopular than it really is. There will always be people that are unhappy with a foreign military presence but it's not like everyone is against us.

    Since many of our enemies dress just like everyone else it is a common propaganda tactic to say someone we killed was an innocent civilian when in fact they were not.
    Not sure everyone has to be against us for us being there not to be wrong, or that it is overall unpopular, even among those friendly. In any case, the image of us pissing on folks won't likely help much.

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    Re: U.S. Marines Urinate On Dead Bodies In Afghanistan

    Quote Originally Posted by Dpetty View Post
    You dont seem to understand a terrorists motivation either... They arent lobbying for political change. They arent unionizing so they can get better treatment. They are on a religious crusade to kill everyone on the earth who will not embrace Islam. They make no effort to hide their intentions, so i see no reason why we should be scared of offending them. When we start changing our behavior based on a fear of their response, they win. Thats why they are called TERROR-ists! They rule through terror.
    Thanks for your opinion.

    This is what the experts found in the their study commissioned by the Pentagon that I referenced earlier:

    "The Rand Corporation, a conservative think-tank originally started by the U.S. Air Force, has produced a new report entitled, "How Terrorist Groups End - Lessons for Countering al Qaida." This study is important, for it reaches conclusions which may be surprising to the Bush Administration and to both presidential candidates. To wit, the study concludes that the "war on terrorism" has been a failure, and that the efforts against terrorism should not be characterized as a "war" at all. Rather, Rand suggests that the U.S. efforts at battling terrorism be considered, "counterterrorism" instead.

    And, why is this so? Because, Rand concludes, after studying 648 terrorist groups between 1968 and 2006, that military operations against such groups are among the least effective means of success, achieving the desired effect in only 7% of the cases. As Rand explains, "[a]gainst most terrorist groups . . . military force is usually too blunt an instrument." Moreover, "[t]he use of substantial U.S. military power against terror groups also runs a significant risk of turning the local population against the government by killing civilians.

    In terms of this latter observation, there is no better case-in-point right now than Afghanistan - the war that both candidates for President seem to embrace as a "the right war" contrary to all evidence. In Afghanistan, the U.S. military forces should properly be known as, "The Wedding Crashers," with the U.S. successfully bombing its fourth (4th) wedding party just this month, killing 47 civilians. According to the UN, 700 civilians have died in the Afghan conflict just this year. Human Rights Watch reports that 1,633 Afghan civilians were killed in 2007 and 929 in 2006. And, those killed in U.S. bomb attacks are accounting for a greater and greater proportion of the civilian deaths as that war goes on. As the Rand Corporation predicts in such circumstances, this has only led to an increase in popular support for those resisting the U.S. military onslaught. In short, the war is counterproductive."
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    Re: U.S. Marines Urinate On Dead Bodies In Afghanistan

    Quote Originally Posted by Paratrooper View Post
    "In the United States, violence accounts for approximately 51,000 deaths annually."CDC violence prevention page

    People (especially the news) like to quote death statistics to make our presence seem more unpopular than it really is. There will always be people that are unhappy with a foreign military presence but it's not like everyone is against us.

    Since many of our enemies dress just like everyone else it is a common propaganda tactic to say someone we killed was an innocent civilian when in fact they were not.
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