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    Re: U.S. Marines Urinate On Dead Bodies In Afghanistan

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    One thing is forever certain. The left and the enemies of democracy will be using this against the American people to justify further acts of terrorism.
    I love your generalizations. I am part of the left as are many on this board and only a HANDFUL have used it. I love how you try to lump us in with enemies of democracy. Your comments are pathetic and easily dismissed as foaming at the mouth, head up ass rhetoric.

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    Re: U.S. Marines Urinate On Dead Bodies In Afghanistan

    Quote Originally Posted by TheNextEra View Post
    I love your generalizations. I am part of the left as are many on this board and only a HANDFUL have used it. I love how you try to lump us in with enemies of democracy. Your comments are pathetic and easily dismissed as foaming at the mouth, head up ass rhetoric.
    The Left speaks.

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    Re: U.S. Marines Urinate On Dead Bodies In Afghanistan

    Quote Originally Posted by Dpetty View Post
    If you dont know what meaningful criticism is then nothing anyone says is going to make a lick of sense to you. You can criticize anyone in the world, but only meaningful criticism is going to actually help that person. Anything else only proves to make the person doing the critisicism feel superior.
    And no, i dont think that non-military people can meaningfully criticize the actions described in the OP.
    "Meaningful" is a vague and subjective word. For one person, any criticism might be meaningful. For another person, only soldiers' criticism is meaningful. For another, anyone who is familiar with the effects of war on the human psyche is able to provide meaningful criticism. That's why I asked you - to figure out what it means to you. There's no need to be rude about a legitimate question.

    In any case, you don't think non-military people can meaningfully criticize their actions. I disagree just like I would disagree with anyone that says non-Presidents can meaningfully criticize Obama. I frankly think it's a stupid, anti-intellectual and illogical position used to dismiss different opinions that one would rather not confront.

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    Re: U.S. Marines Urinate On Dead Bodies In Afghanistan

    Quote Originally Posted by ecofarm View Post
    This is pretty much the deal. Sure, the incident is bad form and I hope the guys get their proper punishment, But let's not get all "the US is like the Taliban". For one, when we discover such things, we prosecute them. Every society has criminals, including the military. For two, it's pissing on someone's grave - let's not lose our heads over it.

    Big deal. They'll get punished.
    If we all had reasonable minds... that would be that and we would move on to actual problems worth getting truly upset about.
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    Re: U.S. Marines Urinate On Dead Bodies In Afghanistan

    Quote Originally Posted by TNAR View Post
    Identifying the causes for a response is not the same as justifying or advocating that response. Simply because one party is wrong does not mean the opposing party is right.
    Quote Originally Posted by Higgins86 View Post
    well they did provoke it....
    Those two posts are exactly what the next is referring to:

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    One thing is forever certain. The left and the enemies of democracy will be using this against the American people to justify further acts of terrorism.

    You see, TNAR and Higgins are all about the "but we caused it!". They are blaming the US for the actions of the Taliban. Yet, when the Marines do something uncooth... do we hear the same? Are they all "well, the Taliban caused it!". No, we don't. The blame is all one-way, and all lands at the feet of the US. This is why Grant is correct in proposing that many will use the indicent to JUSTIFY the actions of the Taliban. There's a difference between justification and "finding the reasons", and when the reasons land at our feet (that is, when one blames others for their actions) it is called justification. It's no different than blaming the woman for domestic violence... "she provoked it!!"

    There is no justification for Terrorism. It cannot be blamed on others. If it could be blamed on others... then why don't WE do it too.
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    Re: U.S. Marines Urinate On Dead Bodies In Afghanistan

    I am not going to speak on the actions of the marines from a personal perspective, I think in war people do things they wouldn't otherwise do and why this comes as a surprise or as a shock to anyone is beyond me.

    Now I understand on the far right, there is this notion that Obama hates the military or something... and Hillary Clinton and Barack Obama's comments on this incident will only rienforce that view. But the fact is the mission comes first, 10 years of bloody conflict cannot be undone by one incident, the President and the Secretary of State have no choice but to salvage the mission as best they can, they have no choice but to say what they said and that's the end of it.

    And as for you Grant, your generalizations and hysterical paranoia are as usual extremely entertaining.

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    Re: U.S. Marines Urinate On Dead Bodies In Afghanistan

    Quote Originally Posted by ecofarm View Post
    Those two posts are exactly what the next is referring to:




    You see, TNAR and Higgins are all about the "but we caused it!". They are blaming the US for the actions of the Taliban. Yet, when the Marines do something uncooth... do we hear the same? Are they all "well, the Taliban caused it!". No, we don't. The blame is all one-way, and all lands at the feet of the US. This is why Grant is correct in proposing that many will use the indicent to JUSTIFY the actions of the Taliban. There's a difference between justification and "finding the reasons", and when the reasons land at our feet (that is, when one blames others for their actions) it is called justification. It's no different than blaming the woman for domestic violence... "she provoked it!!"

    There is no justification for Terrorism. It cannot be blamed on others. If it could be blamed on others... then why don't WE do it too.
    I'm sorry eco...but is it just me or do other people see the irony in this statement?

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    Re: U.S. Marines Urinate On Dead Bodies In Afghanistan

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    There is no justification for Terrorism. It cannot be blamed on others. If it could be blamed on others... then why don't WE do it too.
    People make excuses for terrorism and it goes on all the time. What happened at Abu Ghraib was another incident that was used against the United States despite no deaths occurring, while tortures and actual deaths of innocent people received far less publicity.

    Pissing on the corpse of a dead terrorist might in bad taste but they deserve no better. In fact every consideration should be made to make such an act government policy.

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    Re: U.S. Marines Urinate On Dead Bodies In Afghanistan

    Quote Originally Posted by ThePlayDrive View Post
    "Meaningful" is a vague and subjective word. For one person, any criticism might be meaningful. For another person, only soldiers' criticism is meaningful. For another, anyone who is familiar with the effects of war on the human psyche is able to provide meaningful criticism. That's why I asked you - to figure out what it means to you. There's no need to be rude about a legitimate question.

    In any case, you don't think non-military people can meaningfully criticize their actions. I disagree just like I would disagree with anyone that says non-Presidents can meaningfully criticize Obama. I frankly think it's a stupid, anti-intellectual and illogical position used to dismiss different opinions that one would rather not confront.
    Your incessant comparison between the President and a military soldier makes my point.

    mean·ing·ful   /ˈminɪŋfəl/ Show Spelled[mee-ning-fuhl] Show IPA
    adjective
    full of meaning, significance, purpose, or value; purposeful; significant: a meaningful wink; a meaningful choice.
    Meaningful | Define Meaningful at Dictionary.com

    Meaningful criticism is something that has value to the person being criticized. You can write a letter to the President and completely rip him up one side and down the other, but that doesnt mean that anything you say will be meaningful to him. He will know that since you weren’t there when he made his decisions, you cant know what went in to the process. The same can be said about the soldiers in this story. You can tell them how stupid you think their actions were, but i doubt anything you say will make them feel any differently since in their minds, you cannot understand what went through their minds that caused them to make the decisions they did.

    Your criticism obviously has meaning to you, but why do you think it has meaning to them?

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    Re: U.S. Marines Urinate On Dead Bodies In Afghanistan

    Quote Originally Posted by Dpetty View Post
    Your incessant comparison between the President and a military soldier makes my point.

    mean·ing·ful   /ˈminɪŋfəl/ Show Spelled[mee-ning-fuhl] Show IPA
    adjective
    full of meaning, significance, purpose, or value; purposeful; significant: a meaningful wink; a meaningful choice.
    Meaningful | Define Meaningful at Dictionary.com

    Meaningful criticism is something that has value to the person being criticized. You can write a letter to the President and completely rip him up one side and down the other, but that doesnt mean that anything you say will be meaningful to him. He will know that since you weren’t there when he made his decisions, you cant know what went in to the process. The same can be said about the soldiers in this story. You can tell them how stupid you think their actions were, but i doubt anything you say will make them feel any differently since in their minds, you cannot understand what went through their minds that caused them to make the decisions they did.

    Your criticism obviously has meaning to you, but why do you think it has meaning to them?
    Okay, but my question wasn't directed at the soldiers. It was directed AT YOU. What is meaningful criticism TO YOU? What does criticism have to have in order to have value for YOU? To me, meaningful criticism is criticism that is based in knowledge or understanding of the topic at hand. To you, it seems the meaningful criticism is based in direct experience with the topic at hand. I am correct?

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