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U.S. Marines Urinate On Dead Bodies In Afghanistan

So, noticing your lean I'm making an assumption here, a decomposed body is human, but a fetus is not. In other words, something dead is still what it was, but something still growing isn't what it is.......riiiiiiight.
It's too bad that in abortion threads I ALWAYS argue that a fetus is a human since it's a...wait for it...fact, so thank you for proving why stereotypes are stupid. I would say nice try, but it wasn't.
 
Personally, I'm sick to death of the argument that we should give a flying flip what people who hate us anyway will think of what we do. Better not oppose the GZ mosque or burn the Quran or it'll make people mad. **** that. It, honestly, strikes me as a way to disguise concern or sympathy for jihadists by pretending concern for how it impacts our military. I could be wrong about that.

Yes we invade their country and we just shouldnt "care".. Right?
Were fighting are "War on terror" and we just shouldnt care that if our actions actually increase terrorist recruitment right?
Seems real logical.....
 
Sure go for it. I wouldn't care. I have a feeling the person you're pissing on wouldn't say much about it either.
Dude, I have somewhere to be in like 15 minutes but I can't pull away from the computer because I'm waiting on your next awesome post. Hilarious.
 
It's too bad that in abortion threads I ALWAYS argue that a fetus is a human since it's a...wait for it...fact, so thank you for proving why stereotypes are stupid. I would say nice try, but it wasn't.
Disclaimer was posted. Its not my fault. (noticing your lean I'm making an assumption here)
 
But if it's not this, they'll use something else as propaganda. It's not like the Taliban are hurting for things to use for propaganda to enlarge their numbers.

Perhaps not, but i'd say that using something like this is probably more effective than whatever else they would have had up their sleeve anyway. Graphic images are some of the most powerful tools for recruitment (think of Abu Ghraib, or from the American perspective, the twin towers burning or battleship row being blown up). I'm not saying that this episode is even close to the order of magnitude of those other things, but for an organization like the Taliban, having more weapons is always better than having less.
 
You really like to bring up the Nazi card dont you?

So you would piss on a dead Nazi soldier?
Even tho not all soldiers were generally "Nazis"....
Even tho many of them had no other choice to fight (could be the case for many of the "fighters in Afghanistan")
Even tho many of the Nazi soldiers did not believe in the Nazi ways
Even tho many of the Nazi soldiers were "just doing their job"

While that is true, I mean the NAZIs who actually were the "evil" ones.

I consider the Taliban members out in the field, who are armed and ready to take life, to be wrong. I have no empathy for their dead corpses being watered.
 
Yes we invade their country and we just shouldnt "care".. Right?
Were fighting are "War on terror" and we just shouldnt care that if our actions actually increase terrorist recruitment right?
Seems real logical.....
Our gov't stopped caring about this war a long time ago bro. We're just treading water so Obama can use it as a talking point during a speech. Our gov't doesn't want to do the things we need to in order to win. That would result in too much bloodshed and too many burnt bridges. We need to leave there now. Screw em. Pakistans nuke can't reach us anyway and Israel has missile defense.
 
Doesn't mean it isn't true.

>TDS: "OH, the TALIBAN were people TOO..."
>>Me: "Yeah, so were the NAZIs yet I doubt people here would be as outraged."

That probably has more to do with the fact that none of us were alive when the Nazis were around. Who knows though, personally I think our troops hold themselves, and should be held to high standards.
 
That probably has more to do with the fact that none of us were alive when the Nazis were around. Who knows though, personally I think our troops hold themselves, and should be held to high standards.

personally I think our troops hold themselves, and should be held to high standards

They do. Every day. All around the world.
 
It's too bad that in abortion threads I ALWAYS argue that a fetus is a human since it's a...wait for it...fact, so thank you for proving why stereotypes are stupid. I would say nice try, but it wasn't.

So here's where I get confused... you actually DO say a fetus is human, yet you're perfectly fine with that human being's life ending as a choice of a mother, because it doesn't have consciousness. Yet, you have a problem with a dead body (which also doesn't have a consciousness) being urinated on.

Is it just "disrespect" that's the problem in your view or is it something else? I don't think the Marine thought such an act would be one of kindness and love you know... so in that case, mission accomplished right?
 
A full 21 pages before this thread got Godwinned. I'm impressed.

Just mentioning Nazis doesn't violate Godwin. It's only a Godwin violation if comparing the Taliban to Nazis is unfair or over the top rhetoric, which I don't think it is. Now, if people compared soldiers peeing on corpses to concentration camps or something, that would be a Godwin violation.
 
Perhaps not, but i'd say that using something like this is probably more effective than whatever else they would have had up their sleeve anyway. Graphic images are some of the most powerful tools for recruitment (think of Abu Ghraib, or from the American perspective, the twin towers burning or battleship row being blown up). I'm not saying that this episode is even close to the order of magnitude of those other things, but for an organization like the Taliban, having more weapons is always better than having less.

One can argue either way - but it's my view that if this picture nudges a person 1 point more towards joining the taliban and getting killed by Marines then it probably wouldn't have taken much to get that same person to join anyway. I'm sorry I just can't even muster up enough respect for these bozo Taliban types - I'm emotionally a door knob when it comes to hearing about a Marine pissing on dead Taliban. I tried being positive about the quicker decomposition thing and how it may help those who are still alive though. I'm trying... :shrug:
 
They do. Every day. All around the world.

That's good. But apparently didn't happen in this case.

Corps Values

Honor: Honor requires each Marine to exemplify the ultimate standard in ethical and moral conduct. Honor is many things; honor requires many things. A U.S. Marine must never lie, never cheat, never steal, but that is not enough. Much more is required. Each Marine must cling to an uncompromising code of personal integrity, accountable for his actions and holding others accountable for theirs. And, above all, honor mandates that a Marine never sully the reputation of his Corps.
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Honestly, that's what gets me more than anything else.

From a pragmatic point of view though, I'm not so outraged by the fact that they pissed on some Taliban; I'm more outraged by the fact that they decided to take photos that somehow ended up getting leaked. Piss on em if that's what it takes for you to blow off some steam, but photos? Did we not learn from Abu Ghraib? When will we learn from all these celebrities who like to take nekkid pics of themselves?
 
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That's good. But apparently didn't happen in this case.

Corps Values


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Honestly, that's what gets me more than anything else.

From a pragmatic point of view though, I'm not so outraged by the fact that they pissed on some Taliban; I'm more outraged by the fact that they decided to take photos that somehow ended up getting leaked. Piss on em if that's what it takes for you to blow off some steam, but photos? When will we learn from all these celebrities who like to take nekkid pics of themselves?

As a Marine, I could not agree more. I'm sure their SgtMaj had a very up close and personal counseling session with each and every one of these young Marines.

Now, I'm waiting for the politicians to get involved and blow this all out of proportion to what really happened.
 
So here's where I get confused... you actually DO say a fetus is human, yet you're perfectly fine with that human being's life ending as a choice of a mother, because it doesn't have consciousness. Yet, you have a problem with a dead body (which also doesn't have a consciousness) being urinated on.
Yes it is human. That's a fact. And yes, I am pro-choice and anti-urinating on dead bodies. I am not, however, pro-ending unborn children's lives. None of this is noteworthy.

Is it just "disrespect" that's the problem in your view or is it something else? I don't think the Marine thought such an act would be one of kindness and love you know... so in that case, mission accomplished right?
Sure, mission accomplished. The problem is that it's not a mission I support. As for why, I'll just repeat what I said to Wake: I think there's value in being better than the opposition. There's also value in not representing your country poorly. There's also value in not pissing off terrorists even more so that they'll have another video to use to recruit more terrorists who eventually kill you or other Americans.
 
That's good. But apparently didn't happen in this case.

Corps Values


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Honestly, that's what gets me more than anything else.

From a pragmatic point of view though, I'm not so outraged by the fact that they pissed on some Taliban; I'm more outraged by the fact that they decided to take photos that somehow ended up getting leaked. Piss on em if that's what it takes for you to blow off some steam, but photos? When will we learn from all these celebrities who like to take nekkid pics of themselves?

They "leaked" photos. Pun intended? LOL
 
As a Marine, I could not agree more. I'm sure their SgtMaj had a very up close and personal counseling session with each and every one of these young Marines.

Now, I'm waiting for the politicians to get involved and blow this all out of proportion to what really happened.

If I were a politician, I wouldn't even want to touch this, to be honest. I predict most politicians' responses - if they have one at all - would fall somewhere along the (noncontroversial) lines of "The behavior of these Marines does not represent the Corps as a whole, the matter is being investigated" something like that.
 
1. They may not be better, but I certainly am not outraged by it. Sure, it's not nice to pee on a dead body, but the scales are tipped quite a bit when that person is part of a murderous organization, whether Taliban or NAZI. I have no sympathy for these murderers and I find them to be justified.
I'm not outraged either. I also don't have sympathy for the Taliban. None of that has anything to do with what I said.

4. How so? I'm not here to insult liberals. I will say that I see that more liberals than conservatives are outraged over this instance. ...or would you have me believe it is mainly the liberals who have no outrage at all for this instance?
I'd rather not get banned from this thread.
 
One can argue either way - but it's my view that if this picture nudges a person 1 point more towards joining the taliban and getting killed by Marines then it probably wouldn't have taken much to get that same person to join anyway. I'm sorry I just can't even muster up enough respect for these bozo Taliban types - I'm emotionally a door knob when it comes to hearing about a Marine pissing on dead Taliban. I tried being positive about the quicker decomposition thing and how it may help those who are still alive though. I'm trying... :shrug:

Oh, don't get me wrong. I'm not one of those "I feel empathy with the dead Taliban" types (although I do believe that understanding the enemy's motivations is a key to defeating them - not all Taliban are the same, some are ideologically driven, some have suffered personal loss due to the war, some have family ties, some are simply being paid to fight).

I do believe however, as I've repeated a couple of times, that the behavior of these Marines is out of line with their Core Values. As someone who highly respects the military and is considering joining, it's a bit like finding out one of your sports idols is kind of a douchebag.
 
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