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    Re: Democrat NLRB ‘recess’ appointments rushed, don’t appear on White House nominee l

    Quote Originally Posted by upsideguy View Post
    The whole idea of recess appointments is an abuse of power. Recess appointments were designed for emergency appointments when congress was out of session and congressman often hailed from states that were several days travel away from Washington. Now we have virtual sessions, another abuse of power and then a recess appointment during a virtual session. Moreover, the Senate refuses to do its duty of advice and consent.... we have one abuse of power after the other. The whole thing is an outrage. Pretty hard to be more outraged with one step in the process over another; its all outrageous.

    Its ok to keep the rules. Just don't abuse them. The Senate should just do its job and consider ALL of the appointments. If they want to use this tactic on RARE occasion, OK. But it should not be standard operating procedure.
    I have made the same argument in this, and another thread. I made it when folks pointed to the 3-day gavel session as a "gimmick", pointing out that the actual Recess appointment had long been a gimmick already, so it was one gimmick combating another. In that manner, I approve of this 3-day tactic. It retains for the Senate the authority the Founders enabled, both with advise and consent, and the Senate's own Constitutional ability to make rules which empower the minority party.

    That is where I fault Obama, and many of the posters here. They will not admit that it is one gimmick used to nullify a prior gimmick. I agree that the entire process has its drawbacks, but it was the process in place when this bill, and its specific language, was passed.

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    Re: Democrat NLRB ‘recess’ appointments rushed, don’t appear on White House nominee l

    Quote Originally Posted by Eighty Deuce View Post
    I have made the same argument in this, and another thread. I made it when folks pointed to the 3-day gavel session as a "gimmick", pointing out that the actual Recess appointment had long been a gimmick already, so it was one gimmick combating another. In that manner, I approve of this 3-day tactic. It retains for the Senate the authority the Founders enabled, both with advise and consent, and the Senate's own Constitutional ability to make rules which empower the minority party.

    That is where I fault Obama, and many of the posters here. They will not admit that it is one gimmick used to nullify a prior gimmick. I agree that the entire process has its drawbacks, but it was the process in place when this bill, and its specific language, was passed.
    Don't you mean non-process? The obstruction of ALL appointees is at least as unprecedented as anything Obama has done to get these measely few through. You act as though he filled all 200 vacancies which he could have if he chose to. Painting him as a radical again? Not going to work this time.
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    Re: Democrat NLRB ‘recess’ appointments rushed, don’t appear on White House nominee l

    Quote Originally Posted by iguanaman View Post
    Don't you mean non-process? The obstruction of ALL appointees is at least as unprecedented as anything Obama has done to get these measely few through. You act as though he filled all 200 vacancies which he could have if he chose to. Painting him as a radical again? Not going to work this time.
    And you act as an Obama supporter.

    I'm shocked !

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    Re: Democrat NLRB ‘recess’ appointments rushed, don’t appear on White House nominee l

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    The president can't make appointments while Congress is still in session. It's illegal. He broke the law. Period.
    Congress was NOT in session. There was NO pro-forma session that day.
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    Re: Democrat NLRB ‘recess’ appointments rushed, don’t appear on White House nominee l

    Quote Originally Posted by Eighty Deuce View Post
    Plays a better hand ? LOL ..... when you play as this in a real poker game in the Wild Wild West, you get shot for cheating.

    The GOP followed the rules. Liberals whine because they disagree with the motive. But they followed the rules.

    Here, Obama does not follow the rules. To Hell with oversight. To hell with checking these folks out. And to hell with the same process he endorsed as a Senator. The jackass just put two folks on the NLRB via his own whim. Completely bypassed the Senate. Completely ignored the Constitution.

    And the libs cheer.
    The Senate was cheating by pretending not to be in recess. Obama called their bluff.
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    Re: Democrat NLRB ‘recess’ appointments rushed, don’t appear on White House nominee l

    Quote Originally Posted by Eighty Deuce View Post
    I have made the same argument in this, and another thread. I made it when folks pointed to the 3-day gavel session as a "gimmick", pointing out that the actual Recess appointment had long been a gimmick already, so it was one gimmick combating another. In that manner, I approve of this 3-day tactic. It retains for the Senate the authority the Founders enabled, both with advise and consent, and the Senate's own Constitutional ability to make rules which empower the minority party.
    Yet the Senate wasn't in town to use that authority. Sounds like recess to me. The founders gave the President the power to appoint people when the Senate wasn't around. The Senate failed miserably to use its authority even when it WAS in session, and then went home while pretending to be in session. So enough talk about the Senate using it's authority. The Senate is in hibernation, and waking up every three days to go to the bathroom. It's not working.
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    Re: Democrat NLRB ‘recess’ appointments rushed, don’t appear on White House nominee l

    Quote Originally Posted by danarhea View Post
    Congress was NOT in session. There was NO pro-forma session that day.
    It fell within the 3-day gavel rule. However, the day prior, Obama could have made the appointment, although it would not have been valid past the end of 2012. By waiting one day, and breaking the rule, the appointment is no valid thorugh 2013.

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    Re: Democrat NLRB ‘recess’ appointments rushed, don’t appear on White House nominee l

    Quote Originally Posted by misterman View Post
    Yet the Senate wasn't in town to use that authority. Sounds like recess to me. The founders gave the President the power to appoint people when the Senate wasn't around. The Senate failed miserably to use its authority even when it WAS in session, and then went home while pretending to be in session. So enough talk about the Senate using it's authority. The Senate is in hibernation, and waking up every three days to go to the bathroom. It's not working.
    Well, they followed the exact same process that Reid and Senator Obama advocated and used in 2007. So can you explain that ? Inquiring minds want to understand the hypocrisy that you support.

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    Re: Democrat NLRB ‘recess’ appointments rushed, don’t appear on White House nominee l

    Wouldn't it be nice if they actually debated and discussed the merits of the appointment, instead of trying to use procedural rules to screw each other over?
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    Re: Democrat NLRB ‘recess’ appointments rushed, don’t appear on White House nominee l

    Quote Originally Posted by Paschendale View Post
    Wouldn't it be nice if they actually debated and discussed the merits of the appointment, instead of trying to use procedural rules to screw each other over?
    Actually, the Republicans have tried. The problem is...they have a fundamental dispute about the office and the agency. The Democrats refused to address that dispute...the Republicans used the recess loophole to avoid discussing the nominee...Obama broke the rules...and here we are.

    All this could have been avoided if the Democrats had, in good faith, addressed the Republican's dispute.


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