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    Re: Democrat NLRB ‘recess’ appointments rushed, don’t appear on White House nominee l

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    I'm sure you were just as outraged when the Democrats did the same thing.
    Yes. I hate this. I think used sparingly, its part of the sport, but the government has to work. You can use it to generally obstruct, which is exactly what has been happening in recent years. If one party does it, the other is to do it and we are going to have a government/system that just does not work. Confirm the presidential appointees and only sabotage the extremist appointments.

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    Re: Democrat NLRB ‘recess’ appointments rushed, don’t appear on White House nominee l

    Quote Originally Posted by upsideguy View Post
    Yes. I hate this. I think used sparingly, its part of the sport, but the government has to work. You can use it to generally obstruct, which is exactly what has been happening in recent years. If one party does it, the other is to do it and we are going to have a government/system that just does not work. Confirm the presidential appointees and only sabotage the extremist appointments.
    Then they need to change the rules. What Obama did was to go further nuclear.

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    Re: Democrat NLRB ‘recess’ appointments rushed, don’t appear on White House nominee l

    Quote Originally Posted by Eighty Deuce View Post
    Read the thread. The Senate's obligation, and right, to advise and consent.

    Further, the links also reference Jay Carney, government sources, and other major media, addressing this issue.

    As noted, now a President can bypass the Senate on every nomination. Does not even need to submit the entity for the Senate to check the person out. Now you tell me if that was how the Founders drafted things up ? Thanks in advance.
    can it be said that the congress fulfilled this obligation?
    if not 'yes', then would that not provide Obama with basis to justify his 'recess' appointments
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    Re: Democrat NLRB ‘recess’ appointments rushed, don’t appear on White House nominee l

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    Well, no, it's a fact that Congress was still in session when he made the appointment. He circumvented the law.
    You really need to alert the media.... the local FOX outlet would be your first and best bet to spring this breaking news.
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    Re: Democrat NLRB ‘recess’ appointments rushed, don’t appear on White House nominee l

    Quote Originally Posted by Eighty Deuce View Post
    You are not close to being in a position to label anything I do as "disengenuous". If you want to just disagree, fine. But otherwise, shove it.

    Like it or not, the Republicans did not invent this procedure. The Democrats did, and as per the Constitution, the Senate makes its rules. Bush never went nuclear in response to the Democrats. But now Obama did.

    <sigh>
    It is disingenuous as the whole thing is just a serious of shams.... The Senate has made no serious effort to consider any of this appointees. The backlog is a US record. Then the Senate comes up with this sham called a virtual session to protect their obstructionism. The work has to get done. People that are all up and arms about the Obama move should be equally dismayed about virtual sessions. I am for functional government, as we all should be. All of this is an affront to our Constitution. IMHO, people that feel otherwise are just endorsing the games and are upset by moves adverse to their position in these games (they are upset about the politics/outcome rather than the substance of what is going on) and therefore are essentially disingenuous.

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    Re: Democrat NLRB ‘recess’ appointments rushed, don’t appear on White House nominee l

    Quote Originally Posted by justabubba View Post
    can it be said that the congress fulfilled this obligation?
    if not 'yes', then would than not provide Obama with basis to justify his 'recess' appointments
    I do not believe so with these two "nominees", as the issue in this thread is that these two were never submitted to a Senate in normal session. That is what makes this different from Cordray. Congress was denied any opportunity to advise, consent, reject, etc. with these two.

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    Re: Democrat NLRB ‘recess’ appointments rushed, don’t appear on White House nominee l

    Quote Originally Posted by upsideguy View Post
    It is disingenuous as the whole thing is just a serious of shams.... The Senate has made no serious effort to consider any of this appointees. The backlog is a US record. Then the Senate comes up with this sham called a virtual session to protect their obstructionism. The work has to get done. People that are all up and arms about the Obama move should be equally dismayed about virtual sessions. I am for functional government, as we all should be. All of this is an affront to our Constitution. IMHO, people that feel otherwise are just endorsing the games and are upset by moves adverse to their position in these games (they are upset about the politics/outcome rather than the substance of what is going on) and therefore are essentially disingenuous.
    If you want to label the GOP as disengenuous, etc., then fine. But you have zero basis on which to call me such. Do not do it again, OK

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    Re: Democrat NLRB ‘recess’ appointments rushed, don’t appear on White House nominee l

    Quote Originally Posted by Eighty Deuce View Post
    Then they need to change the rules. What Obama did was to go further nuclear.
    The whole idea of recess appointments is an abuse of power. Recess appointments were designed for emergency appointments when congress was out of session and congressman often hailed from states that were several days travel away from Washington. Now we have virtual sessions, another abuse of power and then a recess appointment during a virtual session. Moreover, the Senate refuses to do its duty of advice and consent.... we have one abuse of power after the other. The whole thing is an outrage. Pretty hard to be more outraged with one step in the process over another; its all outrageous.

    Its ok to keep the rules. Just don't abuse them. The Senate should just do its job and consider ALL of the appointments. If they want to use this tactic on RARE occasion, OK. But it should not be standard operating procedure.

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    Re: Democrat NLRB ‘recess’ appointments rushed, don’t appear on White House nominee l

    Quote Originally Posted by upsideguy View Post
    Yes. I hate this. I think used sparingly, its part of the sport, but the government has to work. You can use it to generally obstruct, which is exactly what has been happening in recent years. If one party does it, the other is to do it and we are going to have a government/system that just does not work. Confirm the presidential appointees and only sabotage the extremist appointments.
    I don't have a problem with it and I'll tell you why. I don't want the president--any president--to be able to appoint just any swinging dick, especially if it's a life time appointment, without that person being questioned, questioned, impeded and then questioned some more.
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    At least Bill saved his transgressions for grown women. Not suggesting what he did was OK. But he didn't chase 14 year olds.

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    Re: Democrat NLRB ‘recess’ appointments rushed, don’t appear on White House nominee l

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    I don't have a problem with it and I'll tell you why. I don't want the president--any president--to be able to appoint just any swinging dick, especially if it's a life time appointment, without that person being questioned, questioned, impeded and then questioned some more.
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    recess appointments can never exceed two years
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