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    Re: Court: Rule change for transportation union elections is valid

    Quote Originally Posted by MrVicchio View Post
    It doesn't. You see the Union Thugs want to their power and money. Before, they had to get a majority of workers to agree before they could unionize. This made it easier for workers that felt threatened voting to skip out and get their no in. Now all they have to do is hold an election... say middle of Super Bowl sunday when the work place is closed down, have 12 people there and oh, look 10 yes, 2 no! And every worker is now Unionized and paying fees at the work place. This is why states like Texas rock, you can Unionize all you want, but you cannot force me into your Union.
    Bull****.

    The elections are run by the government, not the union. It is a long process that takes weeks, and involves sending in a card at the convenience of the voter. Don't spew bull**** about things you don't know anything about.
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    Re: Court: Rule change for transportation union elections is valid

    Quote Originally Posted by Daktoria View Post
    Abstention =/= "no vote".

    Abstention is when you say you're present. A "no vote" indicates you're not.
    Wait - a no vote means you're not present? That violates the laws of physics.
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    Re: Court: Rule change for transportation union elections is valid

    Quote Originally Posted by misterman View Post
    Well, the courts upheld the decision by the NLRB that non-votes do NOT count as no votes. It's a victory for pro-union forces.

    Well, this is about elections on whether to form a union, which are conducted by the government and involve sending in cards over a matter of weeks. It's not union elections, and it's not held in the middle of the night (nor are union elections either).
    Pragmatism = cultural imperialism. Don't throw that shtick around.

    The courts are ****ing retarded. They're just trying to be practical in order to make things happen despite how people clearly haven't invested the time needed to think about what they want to happen.

    There is something very wrong going on with this country and freedom of speech. People are increasingly claiming it's their right to control other people just because they can make a lot of noise, and other people can't.

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    Re: Court: Rule change for transportation union elections is valid

    Quote Originally Posted by misterman View Post
    Wait - a no vote means you're not present? That violates the laws of physics.
    A "no vote" is what's recorded when people don't vote. It's the default position, and it waits for something to be said in order to be changed.

    This is VITAL to any form of parliamentary procedure. Without respect for "no votes", entire organizations can be subverted by the hands of the few.

    In contrast, an abstention means you're simply not making a decision, but you're still participating to satisfy a quorum.

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    Re: Court: Rule change for transportation union elections is valid

    Quote Originally Posted by misterman View Post
    Because the union gets the right to negotiate a contract on behalf of all workers.
    Why would workers A, B, and C have the right to negotiation a contract on behalf of workers D and E who are not interested in the union and want to negotiate their own contract? What makes workers A, B, and C think that they are somehow in control of what workers D and E do? And where is the government in all this? Why doesn't the government protect workers D and E?

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    Re: Court: Rule change for transportation union elections is valid

    Quote Originally Posted by Centinel View Post
    Why would workers A, B, and C have the right to negotiation a contract on behalf of workers D and E who are not interested in the union and want to negotiate their own contract? What makes workers A, B, and C think that they are somehow in control of what workers D and E do? And where is the government in all this? Why doesn't the government protect workers D and E?
    Centinel, that's the exact point. The government doesn't want to protect D and E. It also wants the union to be able to act as quickly as possible such that it doesn't have to educate all of its members. That way, inner organizational strife is kept down to a minimum, and people have to "just trust" senior officers in charge.

    Instead, the government wants the union to be as corrupt as possible so it can charge as much as it wants in contracts for wages.

    That way, the government can justify levying higher taxes, and continue to crowd out private enterprise.
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    Re: Court: Rule change for transportation union elections is valid

    Quote Originally Posted by Daktoria View Post
    Centinel, that's the exact point. The government doesn't want to protect D and E. It also wants the union to be able to act as quickly as possible such that it doesn't have to educate all of its members. That way, inner organizational strife is kept down to a minimum, and people have to "just trust" senior officers in charge.

    Instead, the government wants the union to be as corrupt as possible so it can charge as much as it wants in contracts for wages.

    That way, the government can justify levying higher taxes, and continue to crowd out private enterprise.
    Well that pretty much sucks. The most basic function of government is to protect our life, liberty and property. And here it is allowing workers A, B, and C to force their will on workers D and E. I call bullsh*t, and whatever law allows this trampling of the liberty of D and E should be changed or repealed. Workers have rights that need should be protected, and I go on record as opposing this anti-worker legislation.

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    Re: Court: Rule change for transportation union elections is valid

    Quote Originally Posted by Centinel View Post
    Well that pretty much sucks. The most basic function of government is to protect our life, liberty and property. And here it is allowing workers A, B, and C to force their will on workers D and E. I call bullsh*t, and whatever law allows this trampling of the liberty of D and E should be changed or repealed. Workers have rights that need should be protected, and I go on record as opposing this anti-worker legislation.
    That's really just secondary. Chances are workers D and E will go along with it anyway. They're lumpenproletariat looking for whatever job they can get their hands on. Even with regards to the future, D and E don't have much of a shot at learning what it takes to become an officer or how officer culture is cultivated.

    Besides, there's the argument that they can join a temp agency and find their own jobs.

    The real issue has to do with the overall culture of society this encourages. Not only will it lead economically to higher wage demands and taxes, but it will lead to information entropy in general which is worse than any economic tension imaginable. By reducing the necessity of organizational cohesion required to take action, organizations can create layers of secrecy where only insiders know what's really going on.

    It's not just abusing worker rights, but it's destroying real citizen equity in general. The situation of insider information creates a world of second class citizens who can't defend themselves because they don't have social networks or subjective familiarity with legal terms of art.

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    Re: Court: Rule change for transportation union elections is valid

    Quote Originally Posted by misterman View Post
    Bull****.

    The elections are run by the government, not the union. It is a long process that takes weeks, and involves sending in a card at the convenience of the voter. Don't spew bull**** about things you don't know anything about.
    I'm not spewing bull****.

    STEP 4: Make Your Union “Official”
    Once you’re able to show strong majority support for creating a union, usually through the signing of “authorization” cards or a petition, the next step is to make your union official. There are different ways to do this depending on your type of workplace. One common way is to request the National Labor Relations Board (NLRB), which is a neutral government agency, to hold a secret ballot election. Depending on the state, public employees may have their own state agency conduct an election. Another way to gain official union recognition is to have your employer voluntarily recognize your union. OPEIU organizing staff can help you decide which method might be best for your situation.

    At this point, you may be asking, “What will my employer say to workers forming a union?” The typical employer will say you don’t need a union because he/she will not want to give up any control or power. You and your co-workers need to be prepared for what to expect when your employer learns about your steps to form a union.
    Steps to Creating a Union Workplace

    See, you don't even know what the **** you're talking about.
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    Re: Court: Rule change for transportation union elections is valid

    Quote Originally Posted by Centinel View Post
    Why would workers A, B, and C have the right to negotiation a contract on behalf of workers D and E who are not interested in the union and want to negotiate their own contract? What makes workers A, B, and C think that they are somehow in control of what workers D and E do? And where is the government in all this? Why doesn't the government protect workers D and E?
    Hehe, agree to pay A,B,C $18 and hour after they have been on strike for 6 months and then agree to pay D and E $23 an hour.

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