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    Re: Recall Walker Signatures Pass 500,000 Mark

    Quote Originally Posted by Kal'Stang View Post
    You basically gave the same reasoning for both. Just that you used less words in one than the other.



    So this is what you are actually worried about. That they "might" go too far...either intentionally or not.

    Only when it came to how much they get paid. The ability to bargain for safety and other concerns is still there. As such they still have the ability to have representation at the bargaining table. And really the solution that Walker gave is far more reasonable to have than allowing a union to dictate what their workers get paid. After all, it is the peoples money that is being used to pay these particular unions wages.
    I have to ask. Do you understand what happens during contract negotiations? Unions represent the members, sitting on the other side of the table are those who negotiate for the state. Before a contract can be settled both sides have to agree to the contract. The unions ask for xyz and the state says yes or no and makes a counter offer. No one forces the state to offer more then they can pay in wages or benefits so if there is a problem it is not that the unions dictate wages and benefits it is that the state is inept in negotiating contracts. Blaming the unions is nothing more then passing the buck allowing the states reps to get away with poor negotiating
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    Re: Recall Walker Signatures Pass 500,000 Mark

    Quote Originally Posted by EarlzP View Post
    I have to ask. Do you understand what happens during contract negotiations? Unions represent the members, sitting on the other side of the table are those who negotiate for the state. Before a contract can be settled both sides have to agree to the contract. The unions ask for xyz and the state says yes or no and makes a counter offer. No one forces the state to offer more then they can pay in wages or benefits so if there is a problem it is not that the unions dictate wages and benefits it is that the state is inept in negotiating contracts. Blaming the unions is nothing more then passing the buck allowing the states reps to get away with poor negotiating
    1: The unions support Democrats for a reason. Its a I'll scratch your back if you scratch mine type of deal.

    2: If negotiations fail what happens? 9 times outta 10 a strike happens. And what happens when public sector union folks strike? They stop services from being supplied, like education. Just how many teachers went protesting instead of being in school teaching thier students in Wisconsin? Know what else happens? With the "poor me" attitude that public sector unions are displaying the blame gets put upon the politician. There is far more pressure upon a politician to make sure a union contract negotiation works out than there is on union leaders who just put the blame on everyone but themselves. In otherwords its a win win for union leaders that spread lies.
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    Re: Recall Walker Signatures Pass 500,000 Mark

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    There are none so blind as they who will not see.
    Hmm...can't dispute it so resort to name calling via proverbs huh? Typical.
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    Re: Recall Walker Signatures Pass 500,000 Mark

    Quote Originally Posted by Kal'Stang View Post
    1: The unions support Democrats for a reason. Its a I'll scratch your back if you scratch mine type of deal.
    Who would you expect them to support the party that tries to take away thier collectrive bargaining rights?

    2: If negotiations fail what happens? 9 times outta 10 a strike happens. And what happens when public sector union folks strike? They stop services from being supplied, like education. Just how many teachers went protesting instead of being in school teaching thier students in Wisconsin? Know what else happens? With the "poor me" attitude that public sector unions are displaying the blame gets put upon the politician. There is far more pressure upon a politician to make sure a union contract negotiation works out than there is on union leaders who just put the blame on everyone but themselves. In otherwords its a win win for union leaders that spread lies.
    Your statement above is all supported by verifiable sources or are you just shooting from the hip? It sounds to me that you are continuing to pass the buck, the bottom line has not changed the state still controls the purse strings and should not make an offer that would put the state in a position of financial insolvency.

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    Re: Recall Walker Signatures Pass 500,000 Mark

    Quote Originally Posted by EarlzP View Post
    Who would you expect them to support the party that tries to take away thier collectrive bargaining rights?
    Maybe that party wouldn't try to take em away if they didn't abuse it?

    Quote Originally Posted by EarlzP View Post
    Your statement above is all supported by verifiable sources or are you just shooting from the hip? It sounds to me that you are continuing to pass the buck, the bottom line has not changed the state still controls the purse strings and should not make an offer that would put the state in a position of financial insolvency.
    I'm pretty sure that everyone knows what happened in Wisconsin. The moment thier precious wages were seriously threatened thousands of students went without teachers.
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    Re: Recall Walker Signatures Pass 500,000 Mark

    To those claiming union busting. Did any unions shutdown as a result of the bill?
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    Re: Recall Walker Signatures Pass 500,000 Mark

    Quote Originally Posted by Kal'Stang View Post
    Hmm...can't dispute it so resort to name calling via proverbs huh? Typical.
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    Re: Recall Walker Signatures Pass 500,000 Mark

    Quote Originally Posted by Rhapsody1447 View Post
    To those claiming union busting. Did any unions shutdown as a result of the bill?
    Did you ever hear the one about the frog in the water where the temperature is increased gradually?
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    Re: Recall Walker Signatures Pass 500,000 Mark

    Quote Originally Posted by Rhapsody1447 View Post
    To those claiming union busting. Did any unions shutdown as a result of the bill?
    Largest state unions won't seek recertification by Thursday deadline
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