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    Re: Recall Walker Signatures Pass 500,000 Mark

    Quote Originally Posted by danarhea View Post
    Unions, especially public sector unions, are very useful tools with which to throw out those who would be dictators. A case in point is Governor Walker's overreaching by busting down the unions, something which he said absolutely nothing about when he was running for governor.

    Another case in point?



    This is what you get when a union stands up to a big repressive government..... Democracy in action.
    Wow Dan's gone off the deep end. So now that is the fight eh?
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    Re: Recall Walker Signatures Pass 500,000 Mark

    Quote Originally Posted by MaggieD View Post
    Okay, hyperbolic ranters..."Union Busting" -- I know you love this over-the-top term, but if you call the way in which Walker curtailed some union negotiating powers "union busting," well...I hope you ain't seen nothin' yet.
    You are right on one thing..... We ain't seen nothing yet. Just as union busting was done in via a referendum in Ohio, it will be done in via recall elections in Wisconsin. And this also means that the Bushneviks who lost their power and are trying to get it back will be seen as the thugs they really are.
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    Re: Recall Walker Signatures Pass 500,000 Mark

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    Wow Dan's gone off the deep end. So now that is the fight eh?
    List like Solidarity, who stood up to the Communists in Poland, who outlawed public sector unions, the people of Wisconsin are standing up to statism in their own state.
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    Re: Recall Walker Signatures Pass 500,000 Mark

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    Re: Recall Walker Signatures Pass 500,000 Mark

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    Actually I was only asking a question. I never set up any goalposts in the first place.
    Then perhaps you can tell me the difference between union busting and negatively affecting unions...which is all that Walker has done?
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    Re: Recall Walker Signatures Pass 500,000 Mark

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    Yes, of course he is.
    Any proof of it?
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    Re: Recall Walker Signatures Pass 500,000 Mark

    Quote Originally Posted by danarhea View Post
    You are right on one thing..... We ain't seen nothing yet. Just as union busting was done in via a referendum in Ohio, it will be done in via recall elections in Wisconsin. And this also means that the Bushneviks who lost their power and are trying to get it back will be seen as the thugs they really are.
    Prove that Walker has done any union busting. Stop your claiming. Just show the proof.
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    Re: Recall Walker Signatures Pass 500,000 Mark

    Quote Originally Posted by Kal'Stang View Post
    Then perhaps you can tell me the difference between union busting and negatively affecting unions...which is all that Walker has done?
    I would say that union busting is when one takes strong actions to break apart a union, destroy a unions power to do its job in representing its members or hamstring or handicap it in such a way that it is no longer effective in performing its basic mission and goals.

    Policies the negatively impact unions would be less than that, making it more difficult to do their job in representing its members. The goal there is not to destroy or make the union impotent but to weaken it,

    Of course, one could start out with the objective of weakening the union but go so far that you actually are involved in breaking the union.
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    Re: Recall Walker Signatures Pass 500,000 Mark

    Quote Originally Posted by Kal'Stang View Post
    Fine by me. But there is still a difference between union busting and negatively affecting a union.
    So you find a difference that is good for you, first they take away the employees right to have organized representation at the bargaining table and then the real assault begins. I see this for what it is an organized effort by republican governors to attack the middleclass of America.

    Walker took the oath of office pledgeing to serve the people of Wisconsin after Walker had signed the no tax increase pledge to republican lobbyist Grover Norquist. Scott Walker needs to decide who he wants to uphold his pledge to a lobbyist or the people who elected him

    I do not live in Wisconsin but I supported the recall by donating money

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    Re: Recall Walker Signatures Pass 500,000 Mark

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    I would say that union busting is when one takes strong actions to break apart a union, destroy a unions power to do its job in representing its members or hamstring or handicap it in such a way that it is no longer effective in performing its basic mission and goals.

    Policies the negatively impact unions would be less than that, making it more difficult to do their job in representing its members. The goal there is not to destroy or make the union impotent but to weaken it,
    You basically gave the same reasoning for both. Just that you used less words in one than the other.

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    Of course, one could start out with the objective of weakening the union but go so far that you actually are involved in breaking the union.
    So this is what you are actually worried about. That they "might" go too far...either intentionally or not.

    Quote Originally Posted by EarlzP View Post
    So you find a difference that is good for you, first they take away the employees right to have organized representation at the bargaining table and then the real assault begins. I see this for what it is an organized effort by republican governors to attack the middleclass of America.
    Only when it came to how much they get paid. The ability to bargain for safety and other concerns is still there. As such they still have the ability to have representation at the bargaining table. And really the solution that Walker gave is far more reasonable to have than allowing a union to dictate what their workers get paid. After all, it is the peoples money that is being used to pay these particular unions wages.
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