Recall Walker Signatures Pass 500,000 Mark

randel said:

see post 93&95 please, i await your response

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randel said:

and why is the bar the state wants to set much higher for the unions than for the elected politicians themselves?

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Since #95 repeats the same question as #93 I believe this is the only argument unanswered. Samhain did a good job of answering this in post #91.

Rhapsody1447 said:

Since #95 repeats the same question as #93 I believe this is the only argument unanswered. Samhain did a good job of answering this in post #91.

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you have not answered either question, and samhain didnt answer either....try again? i'll save us both some time here, if you have no intention of answering, and will continue to duck the questions, just say so now, and we can both move on.

randel said:

who is the state to meddle in internal union politics? and why is the bar the state wants to set much higher for the unions than for the elected politicians themselves?

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In order to be a union, you have to be recognized by the state, so I guess that makes the certification process a state issue, and not an internal union issue.

That's why its called a State Certification.

And how is this bar higher than elected politicians themselves? Because it must be done every year?

Samhain said:

In order to be a union, you have to be recognized by the state, so I guess that makes the certification process a state issue, and not an internal union issue.

That's why its called a State Certification.

And how is this bar higher than elected politicians themselves? Because it must be done every year?

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if those in the union are unhappy with it, there are provisions in that union's constitution to de-certify that union, that is an issue for those belonging to the union, not for the state....how is it a higher bar? how does a politician win an election? does he/she have to get a majority of the votes of those who actually voted, or does he or she have to get a majority of the TOTAL NUMBER OF REGISTERED VOTERS?

randel said:

if those in the union are unhappy with it, there are provisions in that union's constitution to de-certify that union, that is an issue for those belonging to the union, not for the state

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And de-certification, from within, is the unions issue. But this is certification, not de-certification. Which falls under the state, since they handle the initial certification, and going forward, that certification lasts 365 days.

randel said:

....how is it a higher bar? how does a politician win an election? does he/she have to get a majority of the votes of those who actually voted, or does he or she have to get a majority of the TOTAL NUMBER OF REGISTERED VOTERS?

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God that would be awesome if we actually had 100% vote participation.

But more to the point, for a union to certify, prior to this year, they needed 51% of eligible union members. So the rule hasn't changed, except that instead of certification being infinite, it now has a 365 day limit.

Samhain said:

And de-certification, from within, is the unions issue. But this is certification, not de-certification. Which falls under the state, since they handle the initial certification, and going forward, that certification lasts 365 days.




God that would be awesome.

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no, it is an internal issue...the unions were certified, by their members, as the bargaining agent(s) for their members...this is nothing but state interference, attempts to union bust, plain and simple...you don't like unions, i get it, but at the very least, be honest with what this is, and don't try to paint it as something else.

The linked website is indirectly linked to Gov. Walker in that it asks the same question I've been asking since the 2010 mid-term elections: "Who's Really Behind all the Recent Republican legislation efforts?"

The details outlined make for a very fascinating read. Personally, I find it more than mere coincidence that so many Republican-held state legislators are pushing forward with similar legislation on everything from public employee unions, pay and benefits, removing collective bargaining rights, right-to-work legislation, immigration reform to seeking to repeal health care reform. There has to be a consorted effort by a leading organization pushing these such agendas. The question is who?

Mind you, I'm no conspiracy theorist, but it is interesting how so much is happening from the various states along similar policial lines. There has to be a clear explanation for it. I'd say Prof. Cronon stumbled upon some very dire truths.