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    Re: Recall Walker Signatures Pass 500,000 Mark

    They aren't going to re-certify because they would be extremely embarrassed to see that they can't get a majority of their own members to stay in the union. Prior to the passing of the bill, those dissatisfied union members only alternative was to change fields to avoid the union.

    Good to see they now have choices.

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    This is the union busting you were speaking of?

    The legislation also requires that unions go through yearly recertification votes to keep their official status rather than retain that status indefinitely after an initial vote creating the union, as had been done in the past. Unions can still exist without that official status, but government employers, such as schools and the state, don't have to recognize them or bargain with them over anything.

    To win the recertification election, unions must get 51% of the vote of all the members of their bargaining unit, not just the ones who take the time to cast ballots - a much higher bar than state elected officials have to clear to win their offices.

    "It means that in the future decisions will be made in the best interest of the public and the best state employees, but the radical employees or the underperforming employees will have much less say," he said.

    One AFT-Wisconsin member union that is seeking recertification is the Professional Employees in Research, Statistics and Analysis, a union of 58 workers who do research for state agencies and have always paid voluntary dues. Jeff Richter, the president of the union and a telecommunications analyst for the Public Service Commission, said the union will file with the state on Thursday.

    "We have a little different viewpoint. We see there's a value in being recognized as a union," he said.

    The decertification won't happen, however, until it's requested by either the employer or a citizen, Scott said. That's in part because the agency doesn't have a master list of all the public employee unions in the state, he said.

    State employee unions have no current contracts with the state that might trump Walker's law and its recertification provisions. Some school and local government employees have outstanding contracts and won't have to vote to recertify until these current contracts run out.
    Of course these new rules only apply to government worker unions. Weren't we praising democracy earlier in this thread?
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    Re: Recall Walker Signatures Pass 500,000 Mark

    Quote Originally Posted by Rhapsody1447 View Post
    This is the union busting you were speaking of?



    Of course these new rules only apply to government worker unions. Weren't we praising democracy earlier in this thread?
    who is the state to meddle in internal union politics? and why is the bar the state wants to set much higher for the unions than for the elected politicians themselves?

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    Re: Recall Walker Signatures Pass 500,000 Mark

    Quote Originally Posted by randel View Post
    who is the state to meddle in internal union politics?
    The state is the one paying their paychecks. It only makes sense to limit wage increases in the face of crippling budget deficits.
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    Re: Recall Walker Signatures Pass 500,000 Mark

    Quote Originally Posted by Rhapsody1447 View Post
    The state is the one paying their paychecks. It only makes sense to limit wage increases in the face of crippling budget deficits.
    why is the state interfering in union politics? the 'the state is the one paying the paychecks' has been shot down in previous arguments on this topic, and doesnt give the state the right to meddle in business that doesnt concern them....and you havent answered the second question.

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    Re: Recall Walker Signatures Pass 500,000 Mark

    Quote Originally Posted by Rhapsody1447
    The state is the one paying their paychecks. It only makes sense to limit wage increases in the face of crippling budget deficits.
    What crippling budget deficits? Oh you mean the budget deficit that never existed before Walker approved his tax cuts and "economic development" spending?

    Let's not mention the fact that Walker himself admitted that curbing collective bargaining rights wouldn't save any money. Let's not mention that the state's unions already agreed to pay cuts. Let's not mention the fact that Walker failed to deliver on his 250,000 jobs promise. Let's not mention the fact that Walker lost tens of millions in federal funding for his tampering with collective bargaining rights. Shall we go on?
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    Re: Recall Walker Signatures Pass 500,000 Mark

    Quote Originally Posted by Khayembii Communique View Post
    What crippling budget deficits? Oh you mean the budget deficit that never existed before Walker approved his tax cuts and "economic development" spending?

    Let's not mention the fact that Walker himself admitted that curbing collective bargaining rights wouldn't save any money. Let's not mention that the state's unions already agreed to pay cuts. Let's not mention the fact that Walker failed to deliver on his 250,000 jobs promise. Let's not mention the fact that Walker lost tens of millions in federal funding for his tampering with collective bargaining rights. Shall we go on?
    Please do. I'd like to see some more evidence to back up your rhetoric of union busting.
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    Re: Recall Walker Signatures Pass 500,000 Mark

    Quote Originally Posted by Rhapsody1447
    Please do. I'd like to see some more evidence to back up your rhetoric of union busting.
    Why would I waste my time having a semantics argument with you? The facts are there, if you don't want to call it "union busting" then great.
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    Re: Recall Walker Signatures Pass 500,000 Mark

    Quote Originally Posted by Khayembii Communique View Post
    Why would I waste my time having a semantics argument with you? The facts are there, if you don't want to call it "union busting" then great.
    The facts you provided do not back up your claim. It's obvious your hyperbole is unfounded
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    Re: Recall Walker Signatures Pass 500,000 Mark

    Quote Originally Posted by Rhapsody1447 View Post
    The facts you provided do not back up your claim. It's obvious your hyperbole is unfounded
    see post 93&95 please, i await your response

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