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    Re: How Long Should We Help the Unemployed?

    Quote Originally Posted by Thunder View Post
    I have no problem shifting funds to unemployment insurance.
    We are most likely on the same page. I believe in helping those that truely need and are wiling to help themselves. It seems for some they forget the dollars have to come from somewhere. Glad to see you do.

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    Re: How Long Should We Help the Unemployed?

    Quote Originally Posted by JohnWOlin View Post
    http://money.cnn.com/2011/12/13/news/economy/unemployment_benefits_extension/index.htm

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    found this to be a very interesting article and before I might say extend but I tend to agree--several unemployed don't need these extensions they need to learn to adapt and build up. This is a nonstarter to get unemployment down by continuously extending the unemployment for those out of work for over a year. I mean come on a year? Jesus Christ.


    Actually with extended benefits, believe unemployment benefits now run for 99 weeks. That's two years.


    Does beg the question. How long is long enough?


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    Re: How Long Should We Help the Unemployed?

    Quote Originally Posted by Cole View Post
    Actually with extended benefits, believe unemployment benefits now run for 99 weeks. That's two years.


    Does beg the question. How long is long enough?
    when you are on unemployment, you MUST look for work. as long as you are honestly trying to find a job, we should help you.

    though..I understand your concern.

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    Re: How Long Should We Help the Unemployed?

    Quote Originally Posted by Paschendale View Post
    Wouldn't it be better for everyone if we just had a system in effect to place people into jobs? There would be no need to subsidize unemployment, since there would be far less of it.
    We do. We have state employment sites, and a number of general and specialized job sites on the internet, some free, some paid for, all routinely used.

    I can assure you unemployment in the U.S. has significant components of these:

    1. lack of adequate education/skills for availale jobs (see dropout factorys, teachers union menace, etc)
    2. A sense of job entitlement to the type of job, they won't settle for any job
    3. A sense of entitlement to welfare, many see no reason to actually find work when being paid for nothing, crazy right? Money good.
    4. Life choices that they themselve deem higher than unemployment, such as staying at their current residence for emotional reasons rather than relocate for a job, etc., Choices that none of us have the right to take from them.

    Jobs don't grow on trees, gotta work and stuff.

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    Re: How Long Should We Help the Unemployed?

    Quote Originally Posted by Thunder View Post
    when you are on unemployment, you MUST look for work. as long as you are honestly trying to find a job, we should help you.
    Oh I'm looking. Honest.

    Besides, that's a crock of **** in any case. I don't want them to just look, I want them to WORK. I know plenty of people that look, find jobs, and promptly turn them down for a variety of reasons, first-hand I have had about 3 out of 40 people in the last two years cite unemployment payments as a reason they did not accept the offer (they wanted to wait until it was closer to out, these people presumably have dual incomes or aren't hurting for it apparently). They need to work. Yes there are downsides to taking "just any job". But if I'm paying for their slack time, and they are so unmarketable and so unprepared that they can't fend for themselves, why do beggars turn into picking eaters?

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    Re: How Long Should We Help the Unemployed?

    Quote Originally Posted by Thunder View Post
    Unemployment benefits keeps people spending, which keeps the economy moving.

    Therefore, we should keep providing benefits as long as possible.
    Unemployment benefits create jobs. This is a smart jobs move, listen to Thunder, he knows.
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    Re: How Long Should We Help the Unemployed?

    Quote Originally Posted by 00timh View Post
    I certainly agree that continuing to allow people to collect unemployment isn't helping them to get back to work. However, from a purely logical aspect, if someone on unemployment is getting say 600 a week and the only jobs they can get are less, say 500 a week, why would they, or I if I was in that situation go to work and get less money?
    The thing is, I don't think most people on unemployment are getting anywhere near $600 a week. The last time I was on unemployment the Maximum was like $350/week. Granted, that was a long time ago, and it has probably gone up a bit since then, but even back then it was barely enough to survive on your own.

    Any savings you had would drain real quick.
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    Re: How Long Should We Help the Unemployed?

    Quote Originally Posted by Thunder View Post
    Unemployment benefits keeps people spending, which keeps the economy moving.

    Therefore, we should keep providing benefits as long as possible.
    I agree. In fact, jobs are overrated. We should just pay everyone an unemployment check as soon as they graduate from high school until they start collecting Social Security.

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    Re: How Long Should We Help the Unemployed?

    Quote Originally Posted by TNAR View Post
    I agree. In fact, jobs are overrated. We should just pay everyone an unemployment check as soon as they graduate from high school until they start collecting Social Security.

    Can you just imagine??!!! The economy would be soaring with the eagles! These are the kind of innovative ideas we need in Washington, dangit!!



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    Re: How Long Should We Help the Unemployed?

    Why do we need rely on the government for helping the poor? Yes I generally show compassion for the lower class of society, especially given the fact that circumstances beyond peoples control can cause them to be misfortunate and less economically well off. Hell, even the smallest mistakes can plunge one into poverty, but everyone makes mistakes once in a while, and no one should be punished severely for little mistakes.

    Instead of relying on the government (which apparently annoys the conservatives to no end, but who cares about what they think) what if people just casually releid on each other? Don't live by yourself, live with family or freinds. Pitch in together and all work part time minimum wage jobs while supporting each other in the respective household. Live a little rag-rag and cheap; the best pleasures in life, like food, sex, and people are usually very cheap or free altogether. Is your nest door neighbor having difficulty paying the rent? Lend him some extra cash and work a flexible date for paying back the money when they're ready. Establish more emotional bonds with the local community. What the government provides to the needy via systemization can also be done through simple will power and love.


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