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    Re: How Long Should We Help the Unemployed?

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    This sounds like a really good idea actually. We have way too many unskilled workers demanding to be paid to make things a 10 year old in Malaysia can do. What we need is a more educated work force like the Japanese.
    In order to have an educated work force, we need a culture that values education and science.

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    Re: How Long Should We Help the Unemployed?

    Quote Originally Posted by megaprogman View Post
    In order to have an educated work force, we need a culture that values education and science.
    I think we also need more affordable access to higher education. Many students chose not to get a degree because of the cost and the loans they will have to repay.
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    Re: How Long Should We Help the Unemployed?

    The workforce is much more highly and narrowly skilled today. In days gone by, all a man needed was a strong back to earn a days wage, and learning new trades was relatively simple. Today it can often take two years or more of costly training to learn the skills for a new job, which is difficult to do with family and work obligations.

    Unless someone is clairvoyant about which direction the trends in their particular sub-specialty are going, it isn't worth it to start training for a new job unless you know the one you have is going the way of the dodo. By then unfortunately it is often too late. Typically people take extra training to get better jobs in the same field or higher salary in a different field, not to have skills in two separate fields in case the current one dips in demand.

    For my own case, I was a master control operator at our local Fox station here in Lafayette, Louisiana, earning very low wages, and realized that I needed to move out west to get a better job with more money if I was going to continue in this industry. So then I got a job as a broadcast operator at DirecTV in Marina Del Rey, California for about 6 years. As time went on I saw that automation was going to decrease the number of jobs in my field, and that there was no way to go but to train for a more technical position in the same industry, which I didn't want to do. So I changed career fields instead of waiting for the day that I was downsized.

    That strategy worked, and I have not had any break in employment for almost 15 years.
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    Re: How Long Should We Help the Unemployed?

    Quote Originally Posted by ChuckBerry View Post
    Unless someone is clairvoyant about which direction the trends in their particular sub-specialty are going, it isn't worth it to start training for a new job unless you know the one you have is going the way of the dodo. By then unfortunately it is often too late. Typically people take extra training to get better jobs in the same field or higher salary in a different field, not to have skills in two separate fields in case the current one dips in demand.
    One need not be clairvoyant to have a chance at success in today's demanding and tomorrow's even more demanding labor market. What one needs is a broad education that allows one to develop sophisticated and transferable knowledge and skills. The problem is that exactly the kind of education that makes that possible is being downsized via narrowing curricula (fewer math, science, history, english/writing courses that develop analytical and communications skills) or specialty courses. Worse, educational attainment in the U.S. has flatlined. It is declining in relative terms vs. the rest of the OECD for all students (male and female). For males, it is declining in absolute terms. In short, the nation is witnessing an erosion in its human capital even as the global economy is growing increasingly demanding.

    Today, and even more tomorrow, job creation and higher wage positions are increasingly concentrated in knowledge areas. Low skill positions are already largely a commodity, with low wages playing a prominent role where such jobs are situated (usually low wage countries where a physical presence in the U.S. is not required). Not surprisingly, the Bureau of Labor Statistics data reveal that the higher education (bachelor's degree or above) provides the closest thing to full employment. Those with associate degrees or less are largely captive to labor market volatility and lack job security and labor force flexibility. Those labor market inequalities could be further amplified in coming years.

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    Re: How Long Should We Help the Unemployed?

    We should help them until it won't kill our economy to cut them off. Unemployment benefits at the moment are as much (and probably more) for the protection of businesses already facing shaky consumer demand as they are for the individuals involved.

    When it becomes apparent things are not going to get any better or we are in danger of immediate fiscal issues that would also be a good time to stop benefits. We are probably approaching that point quickly, but I don't think it's hit yet.
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    Re: How Long Should We Help the Unemployed?

    I think a problem that's come up is that people find it unacceptable that others have to face making changes in life once income fluctuates or is culled somehow.

    That's just part of life though - no matter what social system or economic system you're in.
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    Re: How Long Should We Help the Unemployed?

    Quote Originally Posted by donsutherland1 View Post
    One need not be clairvoyant to have a chance at success in today's demanding and tomorrow's even more demanding labor market. What one needs is a broad education that allows one to develop sophisticated and transferable knowledge and skills. The problem is that exactly the kind of education that makes that possible is being downsized via narrowing curricula (fewer math, science, history, english/writing courses that develop analytical and communications skills) or specialty courses. Worse, educational attainment in the U.S. has flatlined. It is declining in relative terms vs. the rest of the OECD for all students (male and female). For males, it is declining in absolute terms. In short, the nation is witnessing an erosion in its human capital even as the global economy is growing increasingly demanding.

    Today, and even more tomorrow, job creation and higher wage positions are increasingly concentrated in knowledge areas. Low skill positions are already largely a commodity, with low wages playing a prominent role where such jobs are situated (usually low wage countries where a physical presence in the U.S. is not required). Not surprisingly, the Bureau of Labor Statistics data reveal that the higher education (bachelor's degree or above) provides the closest thing to full employment. Those with associate degrees or less are largely captive to labor market volatility and lack job security and labor force flexibility. Those labor market inequalities could be further amplified in coming years.
    I agree with you, but that only addresses the problem down the road. The immediate problem is people out of the educational system and in the workforce that don't have the time to stop and get a broad based education to be more nimble in today's job field.
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    Re: How Long Should We Help the Unemployed?

    Quote Originally Posted by Wake View Post
    And what do we do when those unemployed people are suffering and struggling with no money or job to be found? Just leave them to hopefully grab a rope to keep from sinking?
    We could jsut keeping handing out money, and feel good about ourselves. Hey, 20 years on unemployment? It's okay, it's not my money that's being given to you!"

    Unemployment should be given out at a rate of $2.00 under the going minimum wage for that state. Encourage people to take jobs, support themselves.
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    Re: How Long Should We Help the Unemployed?

    Quote Originally Posted by digsbe View Post
    I think we also need more affordable access to higher education. Many students chose not to get a degree because of the cost and the loans they will have to repay.
    The more government ensures education is going to be paid, the higher the costs. Oh, and who provides pretty much every student loan now?
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    Re: How Long Should We Help the Unemployed?

    Quote Originally Posted by MrVicchio View Post
    The more government ensures education is going to be paid, the higher the costs. Oh, and who provides pretty much every student loan now?
    The feds overhauled it under Obama's healthcare bill so that students can help fund the stupid thing by having the government profit from our student loan interest. I think the government should offer incentives for universities to keep tuition low or to even decrease tuition rates. They can certainly have a say in the tuition costs of public universities. Getting a doctorate level degree in this country is one of the most expensive things you can do. There is virtually no aid or help for students in a doctorate program. Medical school, law school, pharmacy school and the like are all doctorate programs that are very expensive and typically only able to be funded by taking out in many cases over $100,000+ in student loans. In other countries this is not the case.
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