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Atheist messages displace CA park nativity scenes

Your questions have been answered. You just didn't like it.

No, my question was not answered. I'll state it one more time.

Would you stay silent if someone came up to you and started being dickish? Or would you voice your complaint about it?

A simple yes or no will suffice.
 
The point I am making is that it isn't right either way, it's a dick move. Public or private property it's using a loophole to slap someone in the face.

You think it's a dick move. Others would disagree, and might even think "it's about time." Christians slap atheists in the face all the time. A perfect example is that on a daily basis you can read insults about non-believers on thousands of church boards throughout the nation. That's a pretty dick move, too. However, non-believers aren't lining up to whine about it because most of them support freedom of religion, and the freedom of religious folks to believe what they wish.


So? There is a freedom of not from religion.

Huh?

Okay? So basically it's okay to mock people because you want in on their holiday. Frankly Chanuk and Christmas are celebrated right now, the Pagans have something as well. It's not just "super happy fun time away from work" for all of us.

Again I must remind you, Christmas is not their holiday. *sigh*

I never said the athiests don't have a claim to public space, rather that what they did here is rude, condescending, and frankly ill timed.

Ill-timed? It's a holiday display. What they did was express their lack of belief in what they consider to be mythology. They probably think it's rude and condescending to be told throughout the year that they are godless heathens who will burn in hell. At least atheists can't be hauled before congressional committees and blacklisted anymore. But they can, however, be fired, shunned, and insulted on a daily basis. Forgive my lack of empathy as you castigate "sub-human garbage" who don't believe the same things you believe, and have the audacity to legally say so.


But you are condoning it.

No, I'm explaining it and condoning their legal right to express their lack of belief just as I condon the religious community's right to do the same.

And I say they are sub-human garbage and hope they someday learn some manners.

My response would be that those who call others "sub-human garbage" need a few lessons in manners themselves.
 
I don't want to speak for Redress, but it's possible he doesn't acknowledge that they have a valid complaint because he doesn't believe that they DO have a valid complaint. I don't think their complaint is valid. They lost the lottery, someone they don't like won, and they're angry about it. Tell them to lobby the city for a rules change. They can start with the rule that each winner can claim up to 9 display cages. Complaining about that is valid. Complaining about what others did or did not do with the displays they rightfully claimed is not valid. :shrug:

Voicing a complaint is a way in which to get rules changed. Correct?

And how is it not valid? Do you agree that what the athiests did was dickish? Because if you don't then I see why would you think that they don't have a valid complaint. If you think that they were dickish then I don't see how you can think that it is not a valid complaint.
 
It's the War on the War on Christmas!

Satan made them do it. :mrgreen:

I don't quite agree with this. Public space should be used for anyone irregardless of a holiday.

As for the rest, two wrongs do not make a right. Pretty much everyone in this thread agrees that what the athiests did was dickish, but instead of ignoring it or saying that they "have a right to do it" (which no one disputes) we should condemn it. We have that right also.

So long as your right to complain doesn't interfere with someone else's liberty.

No, my question was not answered. I'll state it one more time.

Would you stay silent if someone came up to you and started being dickish? Or would you voice your complaint about it?

A simple yes or no will suffice.

They can bitch and moan all they want, so long as it's not their intentions to limit someone's free speech.
 
It boils down to

Political correctness

Christian groups are upset that the athiest groups was political incorrect.

ie a lack of politeness.
 
It boils down to

Political correctness

Christian groups are upset that the athiest groups was political incorrect.

ie a lack of politeness.
Please don't sully politeness and good manners with political correctness. If someone pushes in front of you in a queue that is impolite and has nothing to do with political correctness. Politeness and manners are social necessities.
 
Please don't sully politeness and good manners with political correctness. If someone pushes in front of you in a queue that is impolite and has nothing to do with political correctness. Politeness and manners are social necessities.

Thanks, I was trying to figure out a decent response to that. You've done better than I could.
 
What does "irregardless" mean? "regardless" would be without regard, so would "irregardless" mean not without regard, or with regard?
 
Please don't sully politeness and good manners with political correctness. If someone pushes in front of you in a queue that is impolite and has nothing to do with political correctness. Politeness and manners are social necessities.

And that is what political correctness boils down to

Being polite. Refering to someone by the terminology that they perfer rather then saying something that is insultive to them. It is allowing people to practice their beliefs generally freely provided that it does not negatively and directly affects someone elses believes

The athiests in this case were politically incorrect, they decided to be dickish. Just like openly calling someone of a particular ethnic group a term that many find offensive, just because you dont want to be politically correct.
 
You think it's a dick move. Others would disagree, and might even think "it's about time." Christians slap atheists in the face all the time. A perfect example is that on a daily basis you can read insults about non-believers on thousands of church boards throughout the nation. That's a pretty dick move, too. However, non-believers aren't lining up to whine about it because most of them support freedom of religion, and the freedom of religious folks to believe what they wish.
The problem is that the people who wanted to see the manger are likely not the christians doing that, so it's really just a different belief targeting innocent people who have likewise done nothing to them. For instance, none of the Catholic churches in my area post anything about belief and hell, you have to enter the premises to hear anything. Most of the churches I've found that do that kind of thing are non-denominational or smaller independents and they usually don't put up mangers anyway. Besides, Athiests have their own snide little insults and I've heard them plenty. Nothing like a pseudo-intellectual jackass telling me I'm stupid for believing in a "fairy tale" with nothing more than theory to back it up. Not all athiests are dicks, don't know how many times I can state that here, but the ones who choose to be trolls make the rest look bad since they happen to be the loud boorish types. I've been the first one to speak out about the faithful shoving it in other's faces.



I took it to mean you are against public display. I've seen that from people like Michael Newdow(sp?) who seek to disbar people from the exercise of religion, which is why I say you are free to believe as you will, but are not allowed to strip other's of their right to expression.


Again I must remind you, Christmas is not their holiday. *sigh*
Hate to break it to you but Christmas is a Christian holiday, Christ/Christian/Christmas. No one is saying you have to attend church or pray on your time off while you enjoy the holiday, but there is a basis for it. Saying Christmas isn't our holiday is like saying Chanukah is for everyone while it is certainly a Jewish holiday. Likewise it would be like me being upset that the muslim population claims Ramadan. Again, if you want to celebrate with us you are more than welcome, but it is ours.

Ill-timed? It's a holiday display.
"Your belief is a fairy tale" During Christmas? You don't think there may be a slight timing problem? It's not as classless as trashing the dead at their funeral, but it's definitely on the list.
What they did was express their lack of belief in what they consider to be mythology.
So if I put up a sign that said "you guys are really reaching on the whole theory thing" directed at Athiests you wouldn't have a problem with it? Or better yet how about "good luck on the whole God Particle thing"?
They probably think it's rude and condescending to be told throughout the year that they are godless heathens who will burn in hell. At least atheists can't be hauled before congressional committees and blacklisted anymore.
Well, you don't get a lot of sympathy by pissing off people who haven't personally done anything to you. If anything it further sets the acceptance issue back.
But they can, however, be fired, shunned, and insulted on a daily basis. Forgive my lack of empathy as you castigate "sub-human garbage" who don't believe the same things you believe, and have the audacity to legally say so.
I do hope the specific people who did this suffer in life greatly. It isn't about what they think, it's about what they did.

No, I'm explaining it and condoning their legal right to express their lack of belief just as I condon the religious community's right to do the same.
Okay, so maybe I'll condone the next time an Athiest is told they are going to hell, it is after all within the rights of the religious since we are dismissing rude behavior.
My response would be that those who call others "sub-human garbage" need a few lessons in manners themselves.
Fine, but I'll say this, manners are a two way street, and typically when someone calls your beliefs stupid for no other reason than to act superior they get what they give. Again, the people who did this weren't slighted by anyone they targeted. So may they(specifically) rot in hell.
 
Hate to break it to you but Christmas is a Christian holiday, Christ/Christian/Christmas. No one is saying you have to attend church or pray on your time off while you enjoy the holiday, but there is a basis for it. Saying Christmas isn't our holiday is like saying Chanukah is for everyone while it is certainly a Jewish holiday. Likewise it would be like me being upset that the muslim population claims Ramadan. Again, if you want to celebrate with us you are more than welcome, but it is ours.

Whose, the Catholics or protestants? Or the Mormons - are they real Christians? Or the Jehovah's Witnesses?
 
Whose, the Catholics or protestants? Or the Mormons - are they real Christians? Or the Jehovah's Witnesses?
the Catholic church and some protestant offshoots.
 
And Christmas doesn't belong to the rest, is that what you mean?
No, there are Christians who choose not to celebrate. I am speaking of the ones who do.
 
I have yet to say that anything that the athiests did was against the rules/laws. How many times must I say this also?

So...are you going to answer the question that Redress refused to answer? Or for that matter, will anyone?

Many of these people will claim to celebrate 'diversity' until it comes to Christians and/or Christmas.

Everyone can celebrate Christmas, even atheists.

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What does "irregardless" mean? "regardless" would be without regard, so would "irregardless" mean not without regard, or with regard?

Its a combination of regardless and irrespective. It's definition is basically a combination of the two. It's not a standard word that is widely used.
 
Have I said anything different? Or did you mean to quote someone else?

You said "I have yet to say that anything that the athiests did was against the rules/laws. How many times must I say this also?"

Just because something is not against the rules or the law does not make it right.

These protesters are jerks and give atheists a bad name. Stupid behavior should be pointed out and that's just what's happening here. It has nothing to do with "rules", or "law", only abject and profound ignorance.
 
Random drawing. Fair to every one. Your group does not win. Lost it's monopoly. Crying that other groups get to put out there message. It's pretty clear.

Its only clear because in your fervent hope and desire to criticize the religious you seem to continually miss that people have even pointed out that in the quote you use to continue your own "crying" that they state clearly the issue isn't "putting out the there message" but rather that they are taking up multiple spots with NOTHING in them.
 
Its only clear because in your fervent hope and desire to criticize the religious you seem to continually miss that people have even pointed out that in the quote you use to continue your own "crying" that they state clearly the issue isn't "putting out the there message" but rather that they are taking up multiple spots with NOTHING in them.

Which is their right. The obvious problem is not what was done with the space, but that a religious group lost it's monopoly.
 
I don't want to speak for Redress, but it's possible he doesn't acknowledge that they have a valid complaint because he doesn't believe that they DO have a valid complaint. I don't think their complaint is valid. They lost the lottery, someone they don't like won, and they're angry about it. Tell them to lobby the city for a rules change. They can start with the rule that each winner can claim up to 9 display cages. Complaining about that is valid. Complaining about what others did or did not do with the displays they rightfully claimed is not valid. :shrug:

So your stance is that if someone does something they're allowed to do its invalid to complain about it in any fashion?

I readily look forward to never see you complaining about what jackasses Westboro is in any thread since htey're simply doing things that are within the rules of society, and thus its would be invalid of you to complain about them.
 
Which is their right. The obvious problem is not what was done with the space, but that a religious group lost it's monopoly.

Oh, my bad Redress. I forgot that you've never complained or spoken negative about people who have acted within their rights. How silly of me.

Now, care to deal with the fact that your statement of what their "obvious" problem was has nothing significantly backing it up other than your own biases and assumptions? Even the quote you quoted clearly demonstrates another optoin other than "They're mad they lost their majority" as being just as legitimate as a possability and yet you continue to ignorantly present your assumption based on your opinion as if its some sort of fact.
 
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Oh, my bad Redress. I forgot that you've never complained or spoken negative about people who have acted within their rights. How silly of me.

Not about trivial ****. I sure as hell did not make a whiny thread about trivial ****.

Edit: Oh, and new WHC....
 
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