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Atheist messages displace CA park nativity scenes

Hatuey said:
Uh huh. Learn something new everyday I guess. It seems like a lot of drama for no reason.
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Being an atheist in the 1950's was enough to get you blacklisted for life. Before that, there were times when it was enough to get you killed. Madeline Murray O'Hare was murdered specifically because she was an atheist activist in 1986. Can you name a single atheist politician who was ever elected to national, state, or even local office?

Unless one professes to believe in a higher power, it's persona non grata pretty much everywhere. I doubt people who are agnostic or atheists would ever admit it even to their colleagues. In many places, it would get people fired.

I don't understand these stupid atheist "organizations". I mean, all atheism is really about is... I just don't believe there is a being in the sky preparing a paradise for the faithful. It's as simple as that. I just don't believe it. In my lifetime, if I had openly said that I would have been fired from at least two jobs (that I know of), been shunned by most of my neighbors, and the godly folk would not have let their children play with my children.

Now you tell me, how is that right in a country that is supposedly built of freedom of religion? Boggles my mind, it does.
 
Zyphlin said:
Oh, by the way....hate to inform you but Freedom of Speech isn't absolute. Look up laws regarding fighting words, obscinity laws regarding speech in public, libel and slander laws, and others.
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Unfortunately, bad taste and general dickishness is covered.

WBC and Atheists get to give us a rhetorical finger.
 
Looks like a Theocracy is trying to be brewed up here.

Once all of the atheist have been wiped out then the only thing left is, "my god is bigger and better than your god."
 
I love the way a few are trying to twist things. It's a holiday season, a couple of dicks representing atheism decided to use public space to mock the people celebrating in what appears to be a rigged lottery on space, and somehow the religious are being accused of being insensitive. What a load.
 
LaMidRighter said:
I love the way a few are trying to twist things. It's a holiday season, a couple of dicks representing atheism decided to use public space to mock the people celebrating in what appears to be a rigged lottery on space, and somehow the religious are being accused of being insensitive. What a load.
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Speaking of twisting things, where do you get the "appears to be rigged" comment?
 
Redress said:
Speaking of twisting things, where do you get the "appears to be rigged" comment?
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The athiest side seemed to win a statistically anomolous amount of space as was mentioned earlier in the thread. This is what I am speaking of.
 
LaMidRighter said:
The athiest side seemed to win a statistically anomolous amount of space as was mentioned earlier in the thread. This is what I am speaking of.
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You might want to read how the drawing was done.
 
LaMidRighter said:
The athiest side seemed to win a statistically anomolous amount of space as was mentioned earlier in the thread. This is what I am speaking of.
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The win is only because atheist have incredible mind control power.
 
Removable Mind said:
The win is only because atheist have incredible mind control power.
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We don't say things like that around religious people. It's at least as believable as the rest of the things they believe.
 
Redress said:
You might want to read how the drawing was done.
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Yeah, read it and not impressed. First off the guy who started the whole lottery idea doesn't even live in the city and decided to be a dick. I hope you understand this isn't an anti-atheism stance I'm taking as I'm not all that religious as a Catholic I am against people deciding to be complete assholes even during people's religious holidays. These particular atheists are making the rest look bad and should be ashamed of themselves, but trolls will be trolls.
 
LaMidRighter said:
Yeah, read it and not impressed. First off the guy who started the whole lottery idea doesn't even live in the city and decided to be a dick. I hope you understand this isn't an anti-atheism stance I'm taking as I'm not all that religious as a Catholic I am against people deciding to be complete assholes even during people's religious holidays. These particular atheists are making the rest look bad and should be ashamed of themselves, but trolls will be trolls.
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You just showed zero evidence that the lottery was rigged. Nicely done.
 
Wessexman said:
Did you know there are people so irrational as not to believe in miracles? Strange world we live in.
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I will beleive in miracles as soon as one can be experimently shown to happen. I don't do the whole faith thing.
 
hazlnut said:
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I think you need to look up the definition of shoving....
 
hazlnut said:
Unfortunately, bad taste and general dickishness is covered.

WBC and Atheists get to give us a rhetorical finger.
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Indeed. Thankfully, free speech also allows us to return said finger
 
Redress said:
I will beleive in miracles as soon as one can be experimently shown to happen. I don't do the whole faith thing.
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By experiment you presumably just mean observation, because a miracle is, by definition, an irregular thing or it wouldn't be a miracle, so it would be pretty silly to try and prove one by experimentation.

Now if I had said ghosts (can you believe there are some people so credulous as not to believe in ghosts!), then your sentence may have, superficially, made sense.
 
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Wessexman said:
By experiment you presumably just mean observation, because a miracle is, by definition, an irregular thing or it wouldn't be a miracle, so it would be pretty silly to try and prove one by experimentation.

Now if I had said ghosts (can you believe there are some people so credulous as not to believe in ghosts!), then your sentence may have, superficially, made sense.
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My sentence makes exact sense as I meant it. You are correct however that singular events cannot be proven by experimentation. That should tell you what I meant.
 
Redress said:
My sentence makes exact sense as I meant it. You are correct however that singular events cannot be proven by experimentation. That should tell you what I meant.
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That you assume they don't exist, because by definition you can't prove a miracle by experimentation. Or at least you cannot reenact it at will; I suppose you could investigate various miraculous objects or scenes and come to some sort of circumstantial conclusion, but I doubt that is really what you mostly meant.

So you simply assume they don't happen. As I said there are some strange and credulous people in the world.
 
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Wessexman said:
That you assume they don't exist, because by definition you can't prove a miracle by experimentation. Or at least you cannot reenact it at will; I suppose you could investigate various miraculous objects or scenes and come to some sort of circumstantial conclusion, but I doubt that is really what you mostly meant.

So you simply assume they don't happen. As I said there are some strange and credulous people in the world.
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There is a large, unsubtle difference between not believing in something, and believing something does not exist.
 
Redress said:
You just showed zero evidence that the lottery was rigged. Nicely done.
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I said it looked rigged, and very much so in that 86% of the available lots were won by one group and none by christians. It's a statistical anomaly as I stated and honestly those don't pop up too often which is why in the first year of this initiative it looks pretty shady. I'll leave it at this: If everything was honest that's fine, it does not excuse the fact that this particular group of atheists decided to use the public square during a christian/jewish holiday season to insult people of faith, it's also insulting that people are excusing this because frankly if people of my own faith were being dicks I would be the first person to say so.

Example: In my city there is a christian crackpot from some offshoot version of the faith that protests everything he can get to that involves drinking, dancing, or even socializing. The jackhole has protested college football games, the bar strips, concerts, even fundraisers. What he does is gets in people's faces screaming that they are going to hell and they need to leave, he's obnoxious and obviously unwelcome. The guy is a dick no matter what his intentions are and his opinions are unwelcome, the over the top things Hatuey posted from some christian groups offend me much like this issue does and those who posted the message should be ashamed of themselves because frankly, they make my side look like a bunch of jerks via association.
 
LaMidRighter said:
I said it looked rigged, and very much so in that 86% of the available lots were won by one group and none by christians. It's a statistical anomaly as I stated and honestly those don't pop up too often which is why in the first year of this initiative it looks pretty shady. I'll leave it at this: If everything was honest that's fine, it does not excuse the fact that this particular group of atheists decided to use the public square during a christian/jewish holiday season to insult people of faith, it's also insulting that people are excusing this because frankly if people of my own faith were being dicks I would be the first person to say so.

Example: In my city there is a christian crackpot from some offshoot version of the faith that protests everything he can get to that involves drinking, dancing, or even socializing. The jackhole has protested college football games, the bar strips, concerts, even fundraisers. What he does is gets in people's faces screaming that they are going to hell and they need to leave, he's obnoxious and obviously unwelcome. The guy is a dick no matter what his intentions are and his opinions are unwelcome, the over the top things Hatuey posted from some christian groups offend me much like this issue does and those who posted the message should be ashamed of themselves because frankly, they make my side look like a bunch of jerks via association.
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You still have not read the story have you? If you had, you would know that each person who won could claim up to 9 spots(why? I dunno, sounds stupid to me but them's the rules). So there goes the statistical anomaly.
 
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