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Atheist messages displace CA park nativity scenes

During a holiday let people put up holiday displays. Right now it's Christmas and Chanukha. The big problem I have with this issue is the timing and target, these same atheists I doubt would have the nerve to put up a sign saying something like "Allah sucks balls" during Ramadan or other muslim holidays

Bingo. You know, if there was a place that a local muslims routinely put up something for Ramadan and Christians purposefully made it a point to get ahold of those locations, used one of those locations to basically go "Which of these is the true holy figure?" with a picture of Jesus and Mohammed, and the rest they just squated on and did nothing I'd say they were being dicks to. It doesn't mean all christians are dicks, anymore than it means all athiests are dicks, it just means those particular ones are dicks.
 
So long as there is no historical evidence to indicate that their deities existed and did what their followers claim they did, no.

I don't think you want to go down this road.
 
And what we have learned in this thread:

:prof Freedom of speech is absolute, except when it offends the religious.

Hey :prof....who in this thread, other than the one crazy guy who may very well be a poe and has multiple people on the christian groups side condemning him, has been suggesting that the Athiests be BANNED from putting up their signs?

I don't remember people suggesting that Westboro people are DICKS equated to stating they shouldn't have freedom of speech...so exactly how is saying that the Athiests Groups were being dicks equating to the "religious" wanting to infringe on the absolution of Freedom of Speech

Oh, by the way....hate to inform you but Freedom of Speech isn't absolute. Look up laws regarding fighting words, obscinity laws regarding speech in public, libel and slander laws, and others.
 
I don't think it's kosher to call one god "a god" and the gods of other religions, "myths." That's just theist...no...deist...ah no...well it's just not very nice. It's rude to the other religions. Either they're all myths or they're all gods.
 
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Bingo. You know, if there was a place that a local muslims routinely put up something for Ramadan and Christians purposefully made it a point to get ahold of those locations, used one of those locations to basically go "Which of these is the true holy figure?" with a picture of Jesus and Mohammed, and the rest they just squated on and did nothing I'd say they were being dicks to. It doesn't mean all christians are dicks, anymore than it means all athiests are dicks, it just means those particular ones are dicks.

Obviously, if we're going to outlaw atheism because some of it's adherents are dicks, then we'll have to do the same with Christianity.
 
I don't think it's kosher to call one god "a god" and the gods of other religions, "myths." That's just theist...no...deist...ah no...well it's just not very nice. It's rude to the other religions. Either they're all myths or they're all gods.

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What Christians, Muslims, Jews, Hindus etc and their defenders, don't seem to get is that their religions are almost identical to those that existed 2000-3000 years ago. They're identical in purpose, stories, development and even some of the same figures and places continually appear in religions that are centuries apart. What differs? The number of gods, some figures and other mostly trivial bits. There is absolutely not a single religion out there that has brought any kind of new revelation or which has shown itself to be more capable of explaining the world around us from a metaphysical perspective or otherwise.

Of course, I am biased because I accept that science and academia have shed the proverbial light unto all those little nooks and crannies that religion can't. However, your proposal is still the most valid on this thread. Either they're all true or they're all mythology.
 
I don't think it's kosher to call one god "a god" and the gods of other religions, "myths." That's just theist...no...deist...ah no...well it's just not very nice. It's rude to the other religions. Either they're all myths or they're all gods.

This is not far from the truth. God has spoken to people of all ages and cultures in different ways. In our early development we saw many gods, as time went on Abraham realized there was one true God, and each religion has seen things revealed to it in its own way and its own time. This not to say that all religions are identical, but it does acknowledge that those sincerely seeking God have his grace, and no one who seeks him will be turned away.
 
Get with the program.
I get called "crazy" while you idiots want to act all proper and not call a spade a spade....

You think atheism is benign and harmless?

The latest claims made by senior officials came after British historian Jon Halliday claimed in his book ‘Mao’, published in 2005, that under Mao Tse-tung more people were killed than previously thought. Halliday said as many as 70 million Chinese people were massacred

Human rights groups and churches in China say however that many Christians are held in harsh labor camps and prisons across the country, in many cases because of their involvement in evangelism, Bible distribution and ‘underground’ house churches.


Report: 3000 Chinese Christians “Killed” Since 2000 « Status of Chinese People

“In the last seven years 3,000 Christians were killed,” said Ulrich Delius, the Asia expert of the German-based Society for Threatened
Peoples, which campaigns against all forms of genocide and “ethnocide”. The allegations were expected to further increase international concerns that China’s pledged economic reforms are not backed-up by more religious and poltical freedoms"

Mark my words, call my "crazy"...I really don't care.

I spent 22 years in the U.S. Armed Forces and we WILL be at war with China, an atheistic, statist regime....
Atheism is an inherent part of Marxist doctrine, and it's core China is still a Communist state.

Now how does one make the huge leap from atheists having a display in a public park that mocks religion? to war with China?

First rule of war, never under-estimate your enemy and know your enemy.

Walls are not always knocked down in with a wrecking ball, sometimes the mortar is slowly worn down, until brick by brick the wall
no longer has any structure to support it.

This is our civilization, based on Christian and Jewish values, the atheist's moral relativism is not benign...history says otherwise.
History is replete with megalomurderous regimes from Stalin to Pol Pot...all at their core beliefs looking upon the religious as something
to be eradicated.

Organized atheism is at war with religion...in case you haven't noticed.

it's time we stopped being passive and easy targets...
 
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Get with the program.
I get called "crazy" while you idiots want to act all proper and not call a spade a spade....

You think atheism is benign and harmless?

The latest claims made by senior officials came after British historian Jon Halliday claimed in his book ‘Mao’, published in 2005, that under Mao Tse-tung more people were killed than previously thought. Halliday said as many as 70 million Chinese people were massacred




Report: 3000 Chinese Christians “Killed” Since 2000 « Status of Chinese People

“In the last seven years 3,000 Christians were killed,” said Ulrich Delius, the Asia expert of the German-based Society for Threatened
Peoples, which campaigns against all forms of genocide and “ethnocide”. The allegations were expected to further increase international concerns that China’s pledged economic reforms are not backed-up by more religious and poltical freedoms"

Mark my words, call my "crazy"...I really don't care.

I spent 22 years in the U.S. Armed Forces and we WILL be at war with China, an atheistic, statist regime....
Atheism is an inherent part of Marxist doctrine, and it's core China is still a Communist state.

Now how does one make the huge leap from atheists having a display in a public park that mocks religion?

Walls are not always knocked down in with a wrecking ball, sometimes the mortar is slowly worn down, until brick by brick the wall
no longer has any structure to support it.

This is our civilization, based on Christian and Jewish values, the atheist's moral relativism is not benign...history says otherwise.

Organized atheism is at war with religion...in case you haven't noticed.

I bet atheists who practice capitalism give you a headache.
 
I don't think it's kosher to call one god "a god" and the gods of other religions, "myths." That's just theist...no...deist...ah no...well it's just not very nice. It's rude to the other religions. Either they're all myths or they're all gods.
Except no one is saying......well with the exception of one guy here that atheism should be banned. What we are saying is "don't be a bunch of dicks and respect those religions choosing to celebrate the holidays".
 
Except no one is saying......well with the exception of one guy here that atheism should be banned. What we are saying is "don't be a bunch of dicks and respect those religions choosing to celebrate the holidays".

Preaching constantly that your religion is the true one and we atheists are going to hell for not believing in your particular imaginary friend. Not dickish.

Telling you that you, and all the other people who believe in imaginary people are slightly off your rockers. Dickish.

It's like a schizophrenic patient telling his doctors that they're crazy for not hearing voices.
 
Preaching constantly that your religion is the true one and we atheists are going to hell for not believing in your particular imaginary friend. Not dickish.
And in true Hatuey form we have the OP personified. Openly attacking and mocking someone's beliefs is being a dick, period. Whatever excuses you want to polish it with it's still a turd.

Telling you that you, and all the other people who believe in imaginary people are slightly off your rockers. Dickish.
RFirst off, treating people as if they are stupid for holding their beliefs is twofold. One, it makes you look like a dick, and two it makes you look equally foolish since it requires scientific proof which is sorely lacking in key areas. Hate to break it to you but consciousness, the true provable origin of the universe, and physics are still and possible always will be mostly theoretical. So one must have faith in those as well.

It's like a schizophrenic patient telling his doctors that they're crazy for not hearing voices.
I'll say this, one day you may be as informed as you think you are. Currently all you are doing is being an apologist for people who pulled a dick move because you agree with their cause. Yet again typical Hatuey.

Last point, if a religious person went to an atheist convention and screamed "you're all going to hell" that would be a dick move, mocking people who have done absolutely nothing wrong to you personally is equally a dick move. End of discussion.
 
And in true Hatuey form we have the OP personified. Openly attacking and mocking someone's beliefs is being a dick, period. Whatever excuses you want to polish it with it's still a turd.

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First off, treating people as if they are stupid for holding their beliefs is twofold.

I don't treat them as if they're stupid. My daughter holds silly beliefs. She thinks Santa is real. It doesn't mean she's stupid. It means she's not educated enough to tell the difference between fiction and reality.

One, it makes you look like a dick, and two it makes you look equally foolish since it requires scientific proof which is sorely lacking in key areas.

This is a fallacy. The burden of evidence is on you to prove your beliefs. Not on me to disprove them.

Hate to break it to you but consciousness, the true provable origin of the universe, and physics are still and possible always will be mostly theoretical. So one must have faith in those as well.

Ignoratio elenchi - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

I'll say this, one day you may be as informed as you think you are. Currently all you are doing is being an apologist for people who pulled a dick move because you agree with their cause. Yet again typical Hatuey.

And you are attacking their supposed "dick move" because you disagree with their cause. Typical midrighter?

Last point, if a religious person went to an atheist convention and screamed "you're all going to hell" that would be a dick move, mocking people who have done absolutely nothing wrong to you personally is equally a dick move. End of discussion.

If they went to an atheist convention, whatever the hell that is, they'd be laughed out of the place. I don't even know what an atheist convention would entail. What? A bunch of people getting around and saying "No such thing as gods, fairies, imaginary friends or Santa" - that would be a pretty boring and short convention.
 
Last I knew a person has the option of not watching the channels that those TV evagelists are on. Was there a memo I didn't get?

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Apparently you didn't get your memo.

For some, it's just hard to pass up watching a good fiction. For others, the same people who stopped to read the sign in the manger and were soooo offended are the same folks who can't help using TV to reinforce their superstitions. Who knows?

Let's see. Last I remember atheist make up between 5 and 8% of the population. Now that is scary, huh? What power they most hold over the other 92%. I know, their kids are being kidnapped and taken to Atheist Boot Camp.
 
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If they went to an atheist convention, whatever the hell that is, they'd be laughed out of the place. I don't even know what an atheist convention would entail. What? A bunch of people getting around and saying "No such thing as gods, fairies, imaginary friends or Santa" - that would be a pretty boring and short convention.

You tell us....

American Athiests

ANNOUNCEMENT: The Annual Convention of American Atheists will be held March 25th and 26th, 2012 (following the Reason Rally) at the Bethesda North Marriott and Convention Center in Bethesda, MD.

This year's theme: "Come out! Come out! Wherever you Are!" We will be concentrating this packed-to-the gills convention with help in all aspects of coming out of the atheist closet to your friends, family, and co-workers.

Pre-purchase Tickets now for $179 (Students with ID can come for $30 and get a free T-shirt and membership in AA)!
 
.....This made me lol.
I wish I had the wit of Chesterton, who could make such a defence genuinely funny and yet shatteringly insightful.

“My first and last philosophy ... I learnt in the nursery... The things I believed then, the things I believe most now, are the things called fairy tales... They are not fantasies: compared with them other things are fantastic... Fairyland is nothing but the sunny country of common sense. It is not earth that judges heaven, but heaven that judges earth ... I knew the magic beanstalk before I tasted beans; I was sure of the Man in the Moon before I was certain of the moon.
I am concerned with a certain way of looking at life, which was created in me by the fairy tales, but has since been meekly ratified by the mere facts.”

― G.K. Chesterton

http://www.ccel.org/ccel/chesterton/orthodoxy.vii.html
 
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Except the Athiest display is not really a belief. It is mocking and belittling someone else's belief.
I wouldn't say that exactly. Atheism is a an affirmation, a claim about the world and knowledge. Just reading this poster you tell a lot about the way these people think, or don't.
 
Appeal to pity - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia



I don't treat them as if they're stupid. My daughter holds silly beliefs. She thinks Santa is real. It doesn't mean she's stupid. It means she's not educated enough to tell the difference between fiction and reality.



This is a fallacy. The burden of evidence is on you to prove your beliefs. Not on me to disprove them.



Ignoratio elenchi - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia



And you are attacking their supposed "dick move" because you disagree with their cause. Typical midrighter?



If they went to an atheist convention, whatever the hell that is, they'd be laughed out of the place. I don't even know what an atheist convention would entail. What? A bunch of people getting around and saying "No such thing as gods, fairies, imaginary friends or Santa" - that would be a pretty boring and short convention.
Whatever you say Hatuey, you're always right, except when you aren't, seems to be kind of frequent around here.
 
I wish I had the wit of Chesterton, who could make such a defence genuinely funny and yet shatteringly insightful.

“My first and last philosophy ... I learnt in the nursery... The things I believed then, the things I believe most now, are the things called fairy tales... They are not fantasies: compared with them other things are fantastic... Fairyland is nothing but the sunny country of common sense. It is not earth that judges heaven, but heaven that judges earth ... I knew the magic beanstalk before I tasted beans; I was sure of the Man in the Moon before I was certain of the moon.
I am concerned with a certain way of looking at life, which was created in me by the fairy tales, but has since been meekly ratified by the mere facts.”

― G.K. Chesterton

Orthodoxy | Christian Classics Ethereal Library

You're boring me with nonsense.
 
You're boring me with nonsense.
You no doubt have quite enough nonsense already.

This reminds me of a scene from Blackadder;

Blackadder:No that's what I think, that's what I think! What do you think?Try to have a thought of your own, Baldrick, thinking is so important.
 
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The Christians in here remind me of the Jews being hauled off to Dachua..
deer in the head lights.

No one is standing up for their faith and I abandoned Christianity a long time ago because of it.
...my beef is with Atheism..and oh yeah it's personal...

A lawn ornament with a manger scene is somehow offensive to the senses to the militant atheist...
A moment of silence before a football game at a public school is somehow offensive to the senses to the militant atheist...

I'm not talking about the guy who goes about his business, believing in his heart God isn't real...The guy who could care less if they say a prayer at his son's public high school graduation. A guy who goes with the flow. I'm talking about the genuinely militant atheist...
you see they count on the Chrisitian to be a passive "deer in the headlight". Sure go ahead and dunk a Crucifix into urine, sure Love thy neighbor, no problem, have a good one.

I hate atheists, the militant atheists on a much deeper level...than merely an offense to a religious belief...frankly that's the least of my concern. I have no idea if God exists or not. It's just I'm not offended when someone tells me God loves me or jesus died for my sins...I say thanks and go about my day.

The militant atheist.
I hate them because they are wolves in sheep's clothing, they are not what they seem.
They are a malignant cancer set upon this Earth.

Wake up and smell the concrete.
 
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The Christians in here remind me of the Jews being hauled off to Dachua..
deer in the head lights.

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