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    Re: Atheist messages displace CA park nativity scenes

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    They have not stated any one was their enemy.

    Thier actions speak the obvious.


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    Re: Atheist messages displace CA park nativity scenes

    Quote Originally Posted by Wake View Post
    If I'm correct, there's 21 displays up for lottery. Traditionally churches have claimed 14 of the 21, but now atheists have claimed 18 out of 21. Something may be afoot. I can't say with certainty.
    You didn't seem to think "something was afoot" when the churches won 14 of the 21.
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    Re: Atheist messages displace CA park nativity scenes

    Quote Originally Posted by misterman View Post
    You didn't seem to think "something was afoot" when the churches won 14 of the 21.
    They didn't use a lottery system then. From the article it is easy to show that last year and the years preceeding they probably did a first come first serve basis.

    But atheists got all but three of the spaces this year because of a new lottery system. The coalition got two spots to display Jesus, Mary and the wise men. The third went to Isaac Levitansky of Chabad Channukah Menorah.
    In the previous years there were 14 different people/groups applying for the slots and getting just 14 slots. IE 1 slot per person/group. And they used them all, not just part of them. And they did not use those slots to attack anyone else. These 2 people/groups got 18 slots, are not useing even a quarter of them and are attacking religion.

    See the difference?
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    Re: Atheist messages displace CA park nativity scenes

    Quote Originally Posted by Kal'Stang View Post
    They didn't use a lottery system then. From the article it is easy to show that last year and the years preceeding they probably did a first come first serve basis.
    In that case, 14 out of 21 is even worse! It's unfair.

    In the previous years there were 14 different people/groups applying for the slots and getting just 14 slots. IE 1 slot per person/group. And they used them all, not just part of them.
    So? This is religion. People can say or believe whatever they want, including nothing.

    And they did not use those slots to attack anyone else. These 2 people/groups got 18 slots, are not useing even a quarter of them and are attacking religion.
    Again, so? You don't like someone else's religious message. Deal with it. There are absolutely no rules when it comes to religion. You can believe whatever you want and say whatever you want.

    Eventually, perhaps you'll realize that we solved this problem a few centuries ago with the First Amendment. We just let people do or say whatever they want about religion, and leave the government or any official slots for special religious recognition out of it.
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    Re: Atheist messages displace CA park nativity scenes

    Quote Originally Posted by misterman View Post
    That's true. The problem comes when other religions are excluded though. Hence the lottery solution.

    It's weird that you see setting up a Christian display as innocent, yet setting up a different one is "oppression." Wouldn't that make a Christian display "oppression" to non-Christians?
    Other religions don't celebrate Christmas, so why should they be represented in a Nativity scene? By your logic a Nativity scene should be present in a display for Hannuka.

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    Re: Atheist messages displace CA park nativity scenes

    Quote Originally Posted by misterman View Post
    In that case, 14 out of 21 is even worse! It's unfair.
    Huh? 14 different groups/people: 21 slots - 14 slots = 7 slots left for anyone else that wants to use them. 2 people: 21 slots - 18 slots = 3 slots left for anyone else that wants to use them. My math may be off (not!) but I don't see how 14 out of 21 is "even worse" when compared to what happened.

    Quote Originally Posted by misterman View Post
    So? This is religion. People can say or believe whatever they want, including nothing.
    I thought that atheism wasn't a religion? Not that it matters. You are correct that they can say or do what they want, including nothing. But doing what these 2 people/groups did was obviously them being dicks and anyone, no matter thier personal view regarding atheism/religion, would acknowledge that fact.

    Quote Originally Posted by misterman View Post
    Again, so? You don't like someone else's religious message. Deal with it. There are absolutely no rules when it comes to religion. You can believe whatever you want and say whatever you want.
    So, in your mind its perfectly OK to attack and crowd out someone else's message just because you hate them?

    Quote Originally Posted by misterman View Post
    Eventually, perhaps you'll realize that we solved this problem a few centuries ago with the First Amendment. We just let people do or say whatever they want about religion, and leave the government or any official slots for special religious recognition out of it.
    What you don't seem to understand is that no one here in this forum is attempting to deny anyones 1st amendment rights. What we are condemning is how these two people/groups are going about using thier 1st amendment rights. In my mind these 2 groups/people are acting no different than the Westboro Baptist Church's people. Their acts are dispicable, but they have a right to thier message. If you condemn what the WBC does then at least try to be consistant and condemn what these 2 people/groups did.
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    Re: Atheist messages displace CA park nativity scenes

    Quote Originally Posted by Kal'Stang View Post


    I thought that atheism wasn't a religion? Not that it matters. You are correct that they can say or do what they want, including nothing. But doing what these 2 people/groups did was obviously them being dicks and anyone, no matter thier personal view regarding atheism/religion, would acknowledge that fact.
    They have a right to be dicks if they want to. It's not going to win them any friends or convert anyone to their way of thinking, but freedom of speech does include the right to be a dick.

    Some of our current candidates for office are exercising that right, too, but that's an aside.
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    Re: Atheist messages displace CA park nativity scenes

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    They have a right to be dicks if they want to. It's not going to win them any friends or convert anyone to their way of thinking, but freedom of speech does include the right to be a dick.

    Some of our current candidates for office are exercising that right, too, but that's an aside.
    Did you read my whole post?
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    Re: Atheist messages displace CA park nativity scenes

    Quote Originally Posted by Kal'Stang View Post
    Did you read my whole post?
    Yes. It seems we're in agreement.
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    Re: Atheist messages displace CA park nativity scenes

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    It is the same thing, it is speech about your particular belief.
    Except the Athiest display is not really a belief. It is mocking and belittling someone else's belief.

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