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    What I find dispicable besides thier signs making attacks at religions is the fact that out of the 18 slots that they got they are only using 3 of them. Any person with a good moral code would not just let those slots sit empty just to spite something/someone they don't like. If you're not going to use them then give them up. Or use them.

    Also I've got to agree with others when it comes to questioning how 2 people got 18 spaces out of 14 possible people. It does say that 1 person can request up to 9 spaces each but requesting 9 spaces and getting 9 spaces are two different things. I would imagine that for the lottery to be fair they would have had to have a drawing for each and every slot available. The odds of the same 2 people getting picked 18 times is not good. I really can't imagine a city lottery like this making it to where who ever gets picked gets to have as many slots as they can in one draw.
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    I thought the dickish part was because they called Santa Claus a myth. It's a crappy thing to do to kids.
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    What do you guys think of this?
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    I'm not so sure it's all that uplifting to Christ to portray him in a dog run like these cages resemble.
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    God saw his Santa Monica Christians were getting complacent, so He rigged the ballot to hear them scream.
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    Christmas nativity scenes = idol worship
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    Re: Atheist messages displace CA park nativity scenes

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    While I understand the irony, they are no more dicks than those who want to put their message in and are complaining now that they have competition.
    Yeah, sorry....I can't think of anyone that I have known to ever put up a nativity with the purpose of attempting to belittle, insult, or ridicule people or their thoughts and at least is somewhat related to Christmas. If most of the athiest ones are in the vien a shown above...directly attempting to belittle and insult folks and having zero to do with the federal holiday that the decorations are usually used to refer to...then yes, I think they are significantly being larger "dicks". I also think if they're rallying organizations that aren't even part of the city to just come in and bid for it when traditioanally its been local groups attempting to put up decorations locally then I think its also a rather dickish move.

    There's a way to get your message out and take part without being an ass. They've purposefully decided to act like asses due to this idiotic seeming persecution problem these particular paranoid groups seem to have because someone did so much damage to their fragile little egos by "forcing" them to have to view a nativity.

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    Re: Atheist messages displace CA park nativity scenes

    Quote Originally Posted by misterman View Post
    How does putting up a display about your own belief "oppress" the beliefs of others?
    Here's the thing, at least for me...

    If a Christian group decided to take the oppertunity, instead of putting up anything related to christmas, to put up some display that's directly insulting Muslims, Jews, Hindus, etc in a way that is proclaiming their faith isn't "true" then I'd be caling them dicks too. Putting something up, especially in a place generally meant for Christmas displays, with the intent to push that someone ELSE'S view is wrong and bad to me is a dickish, childish, tactless thing to do.

    A nativity scene doens't do that. At worst its a positive assertion regarding ones own faith or belief. Blatantly placing a picture of Jesus next to Minitaurs and Posiden is a negative assertion towards someone elses faith or belief.

    If Christians put up a sign saying "Thou Shalt Have No Gods Before Me" with a depiction of god's foot stepping on a Rabbi, Muhammed, and Buddha then I'd be ripping that too. If the Christian sign was "Which of these is the one TRUE god" and had a picture of Muhammed, Shiva, "God", Steve Jobs I'd say its chlidish and inappropriate.

    If athiests want to express their beliefs in a form of positive assertion a public setting I've got no issue with them doing it. More power to them! If Christian folks get upset too bad. If they want to express their belifes in a dickish targetted form going after others then I'll treat them the same way I do Christians or any other group that does it...by considering the group in christian to be a jackasses.

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    Re: Atheist messages displace CA park nativity scenes

    Quote Originally Posted by Zyphlin View Post
    Yeah, sorry....I can't think of anyone that I have known to ever put up a nativity with the purpose of attempting to belittle, insult, or ridicule people or their thoughts and at least is somewhat related to Christmas. If most of the athiest ones are in the vien a shown above...directly attempting to belittle and insult folks and having zero to do with the federal holiday that the decorations are usually used to refer to...then yes, I think they are significantly being larger "dicks". I also think if they're rallying organizations that aren't even part of the city to just come in and bid for it when traditioanally its been local groups attempting to put up decorations locally then I think its also a rather dickish move.

    There's a way to get your message out and take part without being an ass. They've purposefully decided to act like asses due to this idiotic seeming persecution problem these particular paranoid groups seem to have because someone did so much damage to their fragile little egos by "forcing" them to have to view a nativity.
    I understand what you are saying. I would never have done what they did and think it is a bad idea. However, I stand by my comment that they are not being any more dicks than those who are complaining that they have competition for public space. It's another one of those cases where the religious groups and the atheists should be glad I didn't run the whole thing since I would just shut the ****ing things down since no one can manage to play nice.
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    Re: Atheist messages displace CA park nativity scenes

    Quote Originally Posted by misterman View Post
    Uh, yes. Obviously a nativity scene proclaims a message that contradicts atheism or other religions..
    There's a difference between positive and negative presentation of ones message. Lets take a football analogy with the Cowboys and Redskins rivally.

    If I go out stating "I love the Redskins" or "The Redskins are the best" I'm making a personal assertion to my particular prefered team. If you disagree with me, it may bother you, but its not directly betlittling your views but rather simply propping up mine.

    If I go out stating "Loving the Cowboys is dumb" or "The Cowboys suck" now instead I'm making my messgae through a negative assertion by attacking and insulting and belittling specifically someone elses team instead of positively propping up my own.

    One of those is clearly aimed at those interested in the Redskins and instilling a positive feeling in them, the other is clearly aimed at those interested in the Cowboys and attempting to instill a negative feeling in them.

    While that may not be much of a different to you, to some people there's a distinct difference in the tactfullness of those two types of methods of pushing ones views. It essentially goes back to the age old addage of "if you don't have anything nice to say...." If you can't promote your view without tearing down someone else then perhaps there's an issue with the worth of your own view...and that's a universal type of thing.

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