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    Re: Atheist messages displace CA park nativity scenes

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    I didn't know Atheism had Values.
    I think most would say they do.

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    I think most would say they do.
    We are like christians in that respect, we think we have values.
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    Re: Atheist messages displace CA park nativity scenes

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    Oh for god's sake...

    Science is an attempt to understand the universe and is self correcting(we call that experimentation).
    Natural science is analytical, separatative and quantitative. It tries to understand a table by breaking it down, examining its parts and reducing it to a sum of as separate and quantified parts as possible. This way of thinking is certainly legitimate, up to a point, but it is anything but self-correcting, as the modern world shows time and time again. In fact it is basically cancerous, in the sense of having a natural tendency to indefinite and unhealthy growth, if not externally checked. It is the man who puts his dinner down on the table that corrects natural science.
    Myths and religion are an attempt to understand the universe that is not self correcting, and in fact tends to discourage examination of evidence of the religions accuracy.
    All natural science, and almost discursive thought is a myth. Not that myths are bad things, or what moderns call subjective by which (to steal Chesterton's phrase) they mean false. That is one of the most silly things about the poster. Myths convey truths, the problem is in taking them for the truth itself, particularly if we do not even remember they are myths. The theory of gravity, written in textbooks, is not gravity. Natural science is always separative, it always places a barrier it cannot breakdown between itself, what its examines and who is doing the examining and this makes its myth particularly one-sided and limited. The wise and careful reader, or viewer, will learn more about man from Shakespeare than he would from all the biology, psychology and sociology textbooks in the world.
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    Re: Atheist messages displace CA park nativity scenes

    Quote Originally Posted by Wessexman View Post
    Natural science is analytical, separatative and quantitative. It tries to understand a table by breaking it down, examining its parts and reducing to a sum of as separate and quantified parts as possible. This way of thinking is certainly legitimate, up to a point, but it is anything but self-correcting, as the modern world shows time and time again. In fact it is basically cancerous, in the sense of having a natural tendency to unlimited and unhealthy growth, if not external checked. It is the man who puts his dinner down on the table that corrects natural science.
    All natural science, and almost discursive thought is a myth. Not the myths are bad things, or what moderns call subjective by which (to steal Chesterton's phrase) they mean false. That is one of the most silly things about the poster. Myths convey truths, the problem is in taking them for the truth itself, particularly if we do not even remember they are myths. The theory of gravity, written in textbooks, is not gravity. Natural science is always separative, it always places a barrier it cannot breakdown between itself, what its examines and who is doing the examining and this makes its myth particularly one-sided and limited. The wise and careful reader, or viewer, will learn more about man from Shakespeare than he would from all the biology, psychology and sociology textbooks in the world.
    The next time you get injured please see your nearest playwrite....rediculous notion. Does myth and literature tell us about human existence and being, without a doubt. It is however, a one sided story. A subjective, emotional story. This is important for understanding how and what people and society are like but it does not tell us anything about the physical world. What would acient Athens be with just Aristotle and no Parthenon. What would Rome be with only Virgil and no Collosium. What would ancient China be with only Confucius and no Great Wall. The truth is science is just as critical if not more, to progress then all the art and phylosophy there is however, without art and phylosophy their can be no progress. The two are continually in conflict and continually interelated. One cannot exist without the other. Please sell your neo-iconclasm somewhere else.

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    Re: Atheist messages displace CA park nativity scenes

    Looks to me like the lottery system is a bad idea.

    In fact - since this is the ncessary measures to be taken:
    21 display spaces, which are vandal-proof, cage-like areas surrounded by chain-link fencing.
    Looks to me like any such displays are a bad idea if the forefront of concern is vandalism.
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    Re: Atheist messages displace CA park nativity scenes

    Quote Originally Posted by smb View Post
    The next time you get injured please see your nearest playwrite....rediculous notion. Does myth and literature tell us about human existence and being, without a doubt. It is however, a one sided story. A subjective, emotional story. This is important for understanding how and what people and society are like but it does not tell us anything about the physical world. What would acient Athens be with just Aristotle and no Parthenon. What would Rome be with only Virgil and no Collosium. What would ancient China be with only Confucius and no Great Wall. The truth is science is just as critical if not more, to progress then all the art and phylosophy there is however, without art and phylosophy their can be no progress. The two are continually in conflict and continually interelated. One cannot exist without the other. Please sell your neo-iconclasm somewhere else.
    Did I say I would take my broken foot to a playwright?

    Yet Rome did have the Collosium and Athens did have the Parthenon. It seems you have no idea of the symbolic, spiritual and indeed mythological role of mathematics, geometry and natural sciences in the Ancient Greek world. Plato could say that 'God geometricises always', and he and Pythagoras could use mathematics and geometry as spiritual exercises. Ancient and Medieval thought continued to utilitise Pythagorean number theory. When Thales theorised water as the first principle of nature, he did not mean it as we mean the material of water. He meant it in a highly symbolic and metaphysical sense. To see pre-modern natural science simply as we see it would be a mistake. The full analytical, separative and quantitative nature of the modern natural sciences was unknown in the pre-modern world, even in the latter Greco-Roman era. The only 'progress' that may depend on it is post-1700AD.

    But I never repudiated natural science, I only talked about what amounted to definitions, limits and priorities, which you have ignored.

    Who says great art is simply subjective and emotional? That is a peculiarly modern assumption. You have also, of course, defined subjective as basically trivial and false, when it comes to any real truth. Despite the fact that subjective actually refers to the subject, and not necessarily to any notion of illusionary or trivial content. This simply shows the problems with unthinking acceptance of modern ways of thinking, you have ridiculed the subject in favour of some highly externalised and quantitative view of objective world, without remembering that your only knowledge of this is through being a subject. In the Ancient Greek world it was Apollo who was the God of poetry and music, he was also the light of God, the God of truth and prophecy. It was from Apollo that Socrates felt he got his mission to make Athenians wise through Elenchus.
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    Re: Atheist messages displace CA park nativity scenes

    Quote Originally Posted by Harry Guerrilla View Post
    If I were the grand pooba of public displays in Santa Monica, I'd ban them all and be done with the childish behavior.
    Harry Guerrilla for Grand Pooba of the USA!

    So for years the Christians in Santa Monica have had the display areas to themselves for Nativity scenes and now that the tie is turned for the first time they are raising a fuss. As with the ten commandments, crosses, menorahs, yin and yang, star and crescent, wheel of Dharma, etc., if they are important to you put them up on you church lawns, your own lawn, at your business, etc. Public space is not on hold for any group to display their religious beliefs (or lack thereof).

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    Re: Atheist messages displace CA park nativity scenes

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    How many spaces are there in total? Perhaps there are simply more atheists groups that lobby for a spot compared to religious groups?
    I find it quite odd that 2 people got all of their 9 ballots chosen.
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    Atheists make the best trolls.
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    Re: Atheist messages displace CA park nativity scenes

    Quote Originally Posted by Frolicking Dinosaurs View Post
    Harry Guerrilla for Grand Pooba of the USA!

    So for years the Christians in Santa Monica have had the display areas to themselves for Nativity scenes and now that the tie is turned for the first time they are raising a fuss. As with the ten commandments, crosses, menorahs, yin and yang, star and crescent, wheel of Dharma, etc., if they are important to you put them up on you church lawns, your own lawn, at your business, etc. Public space is not on hold for any group to display their religious beliefs (or lack thereof).
    Funny...thats not what the article says...are you privy to information that is not available to the general public?
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