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    Re: Atheist messages displace CA park nativity scenes

    Quote Originally Posted by Lord Tammerlain View Post
    And that is what political correctness boils down to

    Being polite. Refering to someone by the terminology that they perfer rather then saying something that is insultive to them. It is allowing people to practice their beliefs generally freely provided that it does not negatively and directly affects someone elses believes

    The athiests in this case were politically incorrect, they decided to be dickish. Just like openly calling someone of a particular ethnic group a term that many find offensive, just because you dont want to be politically correct.
    Political correctness may sometimes bear similarities to manners and politeness, but they are certainly not the same thing. Political correctness is based on a specific, if somewhat vague, ideology and belief system. One we all have a notion of, even if we can't succinctly state it. Politeness is basic social necessity and a basic respect for other human beings. It has nothing to do with overindulging stupid positions or beliefs, but in not acting rudely or stupidly. Not pushing in front in a queue or saying please and thank you are not political correctness.

    One might suggest additional proof, beyond common sense, for this position is that while political correctness has increased in recent decades (indeed it only began, really, a handful of decades ago), manners and politeness has tended to decrease.
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    Re: Atheist messages displace CA park nativity scenes

    Quote Originally Posted by lpast View Post
    Ah the same familiar expected, no one hates christmas denial crowd....every year sameOsameO
    ?? Who exactly belongs to this "denial crowd?"

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    Re: Atheist messages displace CA park nativity scenes

    Quote Originally Posted by Wessexman View Post
    Science is certainly about beliefs, philosophically speaking. Atheism is also about one's belief about knowledge and evidence and about one's metaphysics. No one is simply an atheist, they are one because of their view of the evidence and knowledge and because of their view of reality, however vague or ill-thought through these may be.
    Absolute poppycock. Being an "atheist" is quite simply not believing in God or gods. That's all it is. Atheists believe in lots of things, just as all inviduals do. We just don't believe there is an invisible, all-powerful diety in the sky listening to the individual prayers of 6 billion earthings. Any other presumptions about "atheists" as a group are nothing more than stereotypical garbage.

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    Re: Atheist messages displace CA park nativity scenes

    Quote Originally Posted by Wessexman View Post
    Science is certainly about beliefs, philosophically speaking. Atheism is also about one's belief about knowledge and evidence and about one's metaphysics. No one is simply an atheist, they are one because of their view of the evidence and knowledge and because of their view of reality, however vague or ill-thought through these may be.
    Now I'm not an atheist, but this is nothing but meaningless BS. Care to be more specific?
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    Nobody who wins a war indulges in a bifurcated definition of victory. War is a political act; victory and defeat have meaning only in political terms. A country incapable of achieving its political objectives at an acceptable cost is losing the war, regardless of battlefield events.

    Bifurcating victory (e.g. winning militarily, losing politically) is a useful salve for defeated armies. The "stab in the back" narrative helped take the sting out of failure for German generals after WWI and their American counterparts after Vietnam.

    All the same, it's nonsense. To paraphrase Vince Lombardi, show me a political loser, and I'll show you a loser.
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    Re: Atheist messages displace CA park nativity scenes

    Quote Originally Posted by StillBallin75 View Post
    Now I'm not an atheist, but this is nothing but meaningless BS. Care to be more specific?
    They are atheists because they don't believe there is evidence and knowledge either enough to prove, or make it probable, that theism is correct or this evidence and knowledge shows it is incorrect; they believe this evidence and knowledge rather points to or proves another view of reality(even if in this regard they are only saying a reality free of God or where the evidence seems to point that way or at least does not prove God or make him likely in their view). This should be obvious, that some of the irreligious react hostility to it is quite telling. I suppose some of it has to do with the wish to stay entirely negative, out of fear they might ever have to specify their worldview. The obvious fact that making negative statements about reality, evidence and knowledge entails their positive corollaries seems to have slipped their minds, perhaps intentionally.
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    Re: Atheist messages displace CA park nativity scenes

    Quote Originally Posted by Wessexman View Post
    They are atheists because they don't believe there is evidence and knowledge either enough to prove, or make it probable, that theism is correct or this evidence and knowledge shows it is incorrect; they believe this evidence and knowledge rather points to or proves another view of reality(even if in this regard they are only saying a reality free of God or where the evidence seems to point that way or at least does not prove God or make him likely in their view). This should be obvious, that some of the irreligious react hostility to it is quite telling. I suppose some of it has to do with the wish to stay entirely negative, out of fear they might ever have to specify their worldview. The obvious fact that making negative statements about reality, evidence and knowledge entails their positive corollaries seems to have slipped their minds, perhaps intentionally.
    Yep, meaningless BS. It boils down to "see, atheists are jerks, and the proof is in how they always complain when I call them jerks!"
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    Re: Atheist messages displace CA park nativity scenes

    Quote Originally Posted by Wessexman View Post
    Science is certainly about beliefs, philosophically speaking. Atheism is also about one's belief about knowledge and evidence and about one's metaphysics. No one is simply an atheist, they are one because of their view of the evidence and knowledge and because of their view of reality, however vague or ill-thought through these may be.
    A-theism is by definition "lack of-theism". Others may wish to impose their unfounded assumptions as to the reasons but the actual reasons are as varied as the individual atheists.
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    Re: Atheist messages displace CA park nativity scenes

    Atheism is an active belief that there is no god.
    Agnosticism is an admission that one doesn't know whether or not god exists.
    Theism is the belief that there is a god, whether or not one believes in a particular religion.

    Beyond that, there are literally thousands of religions claiming to know about one god or another. Talk to one of their adherents, and they'll tell you that they know all about god, the afterlife, and so on. The problem is, if you talk to someone who believes in one of those other thousands of religions, you'll get an equally confident, but different, answer.

    So, who is right?

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    Re: Atheist messages displace CA park nativity scenes

    Quote Originally Posted by Wessexman View Post
    They are atheists because they don't believe there is evidence and knowledge either enough to prove, or make it probable, that theism is correct or this evidence and knowledge shows it is incorrect; they believe this evidence and knowledge rather points to or proves another view of reality(even if in this regard they are only saying a reality free of God or where the evidence seems to point that way or at least does not prove God or make him likely in their view). This should be obvious, that some of the irreligious react hostility to it is quite telling. I suppose some of it has to do with the wish to stay entirely negative, out of fear they might ever have to specify their worldview. The obvious fact that making negative statements about reality, evidence and knowledge entails their positive corollaries seems to have slipped their minds, perhaps intentionally.
    I'm really trying not to be rude, but once again you're typing a lot of words but not really saying anything.
    Nobody who wins a war indulges in a bifurcated definition of victory. War is a political act; victory and defeat have meaning only in political terms. A country incapable of achieving its political objectives at an acceptable cost is losing the war, regardless of battlefield events.

    Bifurcating victory (e.g. winning militarily, losing politically) is a useful salve for defeated armies. The "stab in the back" narrative helped take the sting out of failure for German generals after WWI and their American counterparts after Vietnam.

    All the same, it's nonsense. To paraphrase Vince Lombardi, show me a political loser, and I'll show you a loser.
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    Re: Atheist messages displace CA park nativity scenes

    Quote Originally Posted by Dittohead not! View Post
    Atheism is an active belief that there is no god.
    Agnosticism is an admission that one doesn't know whether or not god exists.
    Theism is the belief that there is a god, whether or not one believes in a particular religion.

    Beyond that, there are literally thousands of religions claiming to know about one god or another. Talk to one of their adherents, and they'll tell you that they know all about god, the afterlife, and so on. The problem is, if you talk to someone who believes in one of those other thousands of religions, you'll get an equally confident, but different, answer.

    So, who is right?

    I don't think we'll ever know in this life, but that's just me.

    Indeed. If it turns out I'm wrong about my disbelief, I'll be standing before the big man himself saying, "Well, this is awkward."

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