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    Re: Atheist messages displace CA park nativity scenes

    Quote Originally Posted by Zyphlin View Post
    So, its important to you that they had gotten all 21 of the 21 spots so that they could've better fight the ignorance people have about athiesm by having 3 more spots that they'd do nothing with and leave empty, thus pissing people off and making them feel like Athiests are essentially jackasses who are just seeking to spoil peoples christmas displays?

    Not quite sure you're understanding how fighting ignorance works.
    It would be spreading the love, brother, spreading the love. You don't want your fellow beings to unnecessarily hurt themselves or others do ya?

    Let me repost what I said. Maybe, just maybe somebody in this forum will understand....

    The importance lies in the ignorance people have about atheism. Atheism is very simple. It's people who subscribe to the scientific explanation of the origin of the universe. It's not about communism, perversions, the freedom to live our their lives in an amoral way...etc. In fact, most atheists have the highest regard for the preservation of life and liberty. They don't look to get a reprieve in a confession booth.

    But I must say, religious persecution, since its beginning, has taken it's toll on many more than just atheists. They don't seem to discriminate when it comes to persecution of those who belief differently. And what really makes it worse is that there are way many more who do believe in a religion who turn on each others as infidels outside their own faith.

    Your decision to believe what you will is of no consequence to me unless your beliefs are manifested into inappropriate behaviors that in some serious manner negatively effect others.
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    Re: Atheist messages displace CA park nativity scenes

    Quote Originally Posted by Zyphlin View Post
    So, its important to you that they had gotten all 21 of the 21 spots so that they could've better fight the ignorance people have about athiesm by having 3 more spots that they'd do nothing with and leave empty, thus pissing people off and making them feel like Athiests are essentially jackasses who are just seeking to spoil peoples christmas displays?

    Not quite sure you're understanding how fighting ignorance works.
    Not sure he understands what atheism is either

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    Re: Atheist messages displace CA park nativity scenes

    Quote Originally Posted by Removable Mind View Post
    It would be spreading the love, brother, spreading the love. You don't want your fellow beings to unnecessarily hurt themselves or others do ya?
    Spreading the love by denying people who want to use the areas to decorate them with Christmas decorations the ability to use them so you can do....nothing with them.

    Perhaps you should look at yourself when you're questioning why people are apparently "ignorant" about what athiests really want, because you're continuing to provide a wonderful example of why the actions of some athiests make it appear that "athiesm" is very simple...it's about being dicks to people who think differently then you.

    How about instead of reposting your post that everyone already read, you explain why it is "important" that athiest groups had gotten 21 of 21 spots (when they aren't using 15 of the 18 spots they already have) to help people not be "ignorant" about what Athiesm is?

    Frankly, it seems like acts such as this is what helps continue to keep people ignorant of what athiesm is and having a negative perception of it.

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    Re: Atheist messages displace CA park nativity scenes

    Quote Originally Posted by Zyphlin View Post
    Spreading the love by denying people who want to use the areas to decorate them with Christmas decorations the ability to use them so you can do....nothing with them.

    Perhaps you should look at yourself when you're questioning why people are apparently "ignorant" about what athiests really want, because you're continuing to provide a wonderful example of why the actions of some athiests make it appear that "athiesm" is very simple...it's about being dicks to people who think differently then you.

    How about instead of reposting your post that everyone already read, you explain why it is "important" that athiest groups had gotten 21 of 21 spots (when they aren't using 15 of the 18 spots they already have) to help people not be "ignorant" about what Athiesm is?

    Frankly, it seems like acts such as this is what helps continue to keep people ignorant of what athiesm is and having a negative perception of it.
    Z...lets go back to my explanation, which very clear. There's not an ounce of condescending attitude expressed anywhere in my post. TO REPEAT:

    The importance lies in the ignorance people have about atheism. Atheism is very simple. It's people who subscribe to the scientific explanation of the origin of the universe. It's not about communism, perversions, the freedom to live our their lives in an amoral way...etc. In fact, most atheists have the highest regard for the preservation of life and liberty. They don't look to get a reprieve in a confession booth.

    But I must say, religious persecution, since its beginning, has taken it's toll on many more than just atheists. They don't seem to discriminate when it comes to persecution of those who belief differently. And what really makes it worse is that there are way many more who do believe in a religion who turn on each others as infidels outside their own faith.

    Your decision to believe what you will is of no consequence to me unless your beliefs are manifested into inappropriate behaviors that in some serious manner negatively effect others.

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    Re: Atheist messages displace CA park nativity scenes

    Atheism is a lack of belief in a God or Gods. It has nothing to do with science, which is neither a belief nor a lack of one.
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    Re: Atheist messages displace CA park nativity scenes

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    The importance lies in the ignorance people have about atheism.
    I think most of us know what atheism is. If you break down the word it is self explanatory.
    Atheism is very simple. It's people who subscribe to the scientific explanation of the origin of the universe.
    No, that's not what it means at all. You have been misinformed. It means "someone who denies the existence of god". Literally without God. It has nothing to do with science.

    It's not about communism, perversions, the freedom to live our their lives in an amoral way...etc. In fact, most atheists have the highest regard for the preservation of life and liberty. They don't look to get a reprieve in a confession booth.
    If there is anyone denying atheists the right to live their lives their own way then lets look at it. But that problem, if there is one, has not been pointed out,
    But I must say, religious persecution, since its beginning, has taken it's toll on many more than just atheists. They don't seem to discriminate when it comes to persecution of those who belief differently. And what really makes it worse is that there are way many more who do believe in a religion who turn on each others as infidels outside their own faith.
    Certainly there is historical evidence of religious wrong doings (and atheistic) and we can see that in cases in Islam today. But there is not much interest , as far as I can tell, that is preventing Muslims in the western world from celebrating Ramadan or trying to shut down any of their celebrations.

    Your decision to believe what you will is of no consequence to me unless your beliefs are manifested into inappropriate behaviors that in some serious manner negatively effect others.
    I have no interest in shutting down the celebrations of atheists or Christians because that is "inappropriate" and infringes on their rights. It is terribly small minded and an intrusion on the rights and freedoms of others to celebrate their beliefs in whatever way they might peacefully choose.

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    Re: Atheist messages displace CA park nativity scenes

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    I think most of us know what atheism is. If you break down the word it is self explanatory.


    No, that's not what it means at all. You have been misinformed. It means "someone who denies the existence of god". Literally without God. It has nothing to do with science.



    If there is anyone denying atheists the right to live their lives their own way then lets look at it. But that problem, if there is one, has not been pointed out,

    Certainly there is historical evidence of religious wrong doings (and atheistic) and we can see that in cases in Islam today. But there is not much interest , as far as I can tell, that is preventing Muslims in the western world from celebrating Ramadan or trying to shut down any of their celebrations.



    I have no interest in shutting down the celebrations of atheists or Christians because that is "inappropriate" and infringes on their rights. It is terribly small minded and an intrusion on the rights and freedoms of others to celebrate their beliefs in whatever way they might peacefully choose.
    Your last point is exactly what most of us have been trying to make. It's not infringement on an Athiests right to display religious symbols during a holiday, it's not even infringement to display Athiest messages during a holiday. What is crap is purposefully crowding out the religious during the holiday and then mocking the beliefs while doing so.
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    Re: Atheist messages displace CA park nativity scenes

    Quote Originally Posted by Manc Skipper View Post
    Atheism is a lack of belief in a God or Gods. It has nothing to do with science, which is neither a belief nor a lack of one.
    Interesting. I'll keep this quote for use in the future.

    It's also interesting because it seems atheists have tried to take credit for the successes of science, but that's for another thread.

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    Re: Atheist messages displace CA park nativity scenes

    Quote Originally Posted by Removable Mind View Post
    Z...lets go back to my explanation, which very clear. There's not an ounce of condescending attitude expressed anywhere in my post. TO REPEAT:
    Thank you for highlighting the point you're seeking to focus on.

    It still doesn't explain to me why you think its important that Athiests got all 21 of the 21 spots instead of just 18 of the 21, unless you're feeling that putting up a nativity or other christmas decoration is an "inappropriate behavior" that in a "serious manner negatively effects others".

    That's where my confusion is.

    As to the last line, that's part of what I'm saying however. Actions like these athiests have taken are the type of thing that causes negative sentiment by the public towards athiests which leads to them potentially doing things that negatively effect others (the others specifically being athiests). These type of actions don't work towards the hope of acceptance and understanding for all types of faiths or beliefs of philosophies, but rather works towards further putting them at odds between each other.

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    Re: Atheist messages displace CA park nativity scenes

    Quote Originally Posted by Manc Skipper View Post
    Atheism is a lack of belief in a God or Gods. It has nothing to do with science, which is neither a belief nor a lack of one.
    When you start at the question of creation, there's only two places to look to. Si, or no? You solve one...the other disappears.

    The "lack of" or "non-belief" has risen out of the belief that the universe wasn't created by an entity, regardless of whatever you want to call it. There's only one other contender outside of a supernatural being that offers an explanation about our origin, which is science. I choose the latter.

    After all, the religious subscribers start at creation and go beyond what we know as life. Dogmas have been exponentially constructed from the point of creation and have built their own morals, values, and traditions that some want to impose on all who inhabit the planet. That's not what science is about.

    People would have created the same type of laws on crimes against humanity had religion never existed. It's called common sense and survival tactics that are against violence and destruction.

    As Jefferson once said, "Man, once surrendering his reason, has no remaining guard against absurdities the most monstrous, and like a ship without rudder, is the sport of every wind. With such persons, gullibility, which they call faith, takes the helm from the hand of reason and the mind becomes a wreck."

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