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    Re: Atheist messages displace CA park nativity scenes

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    Lots of things "got borrowed". Easter is another. You know where Easter Eggs and the Easter Bunny came from?
    I know. It's disingenuous for him to use the examples earlier. Borrowing symbolism isn't the same thing as mockery.
    Neither side in an argument can find the truth when both make an absolute claim on it.

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    Re: Atheist messages displace CA park nativity scenes

    Quote Originally Posted by LaMidRighter View Post
    I know. It's disingenuous for him to use the examples earlier. Borrowing symbolism isn't the same thing as mockery.
    Nope, the borrowing of symbols was meant to be inclusive. It was a device used to help lure in other beliefs into the new one. The point of usurping the old holidays was to make conversion easier.
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    Re: Atheist messages displace CA park nativity scenes

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    Nope, the borrowing of symbols was meant to be inclusive. It was a device used to help lure in other beliefs into the new one. The point of usurping the old holidays was to make conversion easier.
    I''ve heard that one, but I don't think the historian presenting was completely credible so I don't fully accept that explanation. However I do know that there were some conversion efforts in the very distant past. It's disengenuous for MS to bring it up NOW to excuse a current event.
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    Re: Atheist messages displace CA park nativity scenes

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    Lots of things "got borrowed". Easter is another. You know where Easter Eggs and the Easter Bunny came from?


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    Re: Atheist messages displace CA park nativity scenes

    Ah the same familiar expected, no one hates christmas denial crowd....every year sameOsameO

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    Re: Atheist messages displace CA park nativity scenes

    Quote Originally Posted by Removable Mind View Post
    Its about time. Too bad they missed the other 3.
    Why is that important to you?

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    Re: Atheist messages displace CA park nativity scenes

    Quote Originally Posted by Zyphlin View Post
    I can only make guesses at their motives, I have no way of knowing them for sure. However, ones motivations don't have to be dickish for the action to still be such.



    I don't know if they were trying to be or not, though I do think its likely the former. However, whether it was their intent or not, their actions sure seem to be dickish in their outcome. However, they absolutely have the right to be assholes and to continue to provide further and further positive examples of athiesm.

    You know what I've actually just come to realize...

    Athiests are the religious equivilent of Ron Paul fans. There's not a lot of them, and the majority of people look at them negatively due to the stereotype that has formed of them. There's a fair amount of completely reasonable and wonderful ones, but it seems the vast majority of the vocal ones are people who play into the stereotype to a T and by and large drive more people away then bring them into the fold. Those vocal ones tend to think they're better than everyone else, that anyone not thinking like them is an idiot, that there's some grand conspiracy against them, and that their view is the only reasonable one and everyone else are idiots for thinking differently.

    Athiesism is the Ron Paul of the belief world.....

    Suddenly they make SO much more sense to me.

    In the wonderfully delicious ironic twist, Redress is a pseudo-Ron Paulite...



    Again, local story. Don't have a huge issue with it. I'm pretty sure being annoyed about these people being dicks and speaking with a reporter for a bit of time isn't significantly hampering their ability to do other things like feeding the homeless if they want.
    That sounds like the average religious type. I think that most people want to be special or at the very least, they want to feel as if they are apart of something special. That's what religion does for people. And when other people are blatant about their lack of belief, it really pisses some people off. There are people on both sides of this topic who are acting "dickish."
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    Re: Atheist messages displace CA park nativity scenes

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    Why is that important to you?
    The importance lies in the ignorance people have about atheism. Atheism is very simple. It's people who subscribe to the scientific explanation of the origin of the universe. It's not about communism, perversions, the freedom to live our their lives in an amoral way...etc. In fact, most atheists have the highest regard for the preservation of life and liberty. They don't look to get a reprieve in a confession booth.

    But I must say, religious persecution, since its beginning, has taken it's toll on many more than just atheists. They don't seem to discriminate when it comes to persecution of those who belief differently. And what really makes it worse is that there are way many more who do believe in a religion who turn on each others as infidels outside their own faith.

    Your decision to believe what you will is of no consequence to me unless your beliefs are manifested into inappropriate behaviors that in some serious manner negatively effect others.

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    Re: Atheist messages displace CA park nativity scenes

    Quote Originally Posted by evanescence View Post
    That sounds like the average religious type.
    Indeed, just like the average Republican/Democrat that's very vocal can be JUST as annoying a vocal Ron Paulite. The difference is, because the Republican/Democrats are the "norm" and the "majority" most people have enough experience with ones they know to be Republicans/Democrats that they don't judge those Republicans/Democrats based on their most vocal crazies. Paul fans, unfortunately, are not the norm...there aren't a ton of them...most people don't know a bunch of people who are Paul fans that aren't also the very vocal types, and thus the vocal types become the only real measuring stick those people have.

    Similarly...most people know Christians and religious folks. They are far and away the norm and the majority. People are familiar with dozens upon dozens or even hundreds of "average, benign, every day religious folks. Most don't have a ton of familiarity with athiests, and their only real reference to them tends to come from the very vocal of the bunch.

    Its not saying one groups vocal minority is worse than the other, but comparing how the vocal minority in both groups (paulites and athiests) tend to be viewed, and do their side no favors, by the masses due to the realities of the situations around them.

    I think that most people want to be special or at the very least, they want to feel as if they are apart of something special. That's what religion does for people.
    Its a weird sort of thing. I think people want to be special, while at the same time I think they want to be normal and to "belong" as well. I think religion actually fits more into the latter scope of things. To be frank, I think athiesm by and large far more into the first grouping rather than the second.

    And when other people are blatant about their lack of belief, it really pisses some people off.
    Some perhaps. I think by and large people are generally less upset about blatant "lack of belief" an individual may have and more upset with blatant minimizing/belittling of faith other people have. I don't see a lot of people getting upset because someone goes "I Don't believe in god!", I see a fair bit more get upset for someone going "People are foolish to believe in a god!"

    There are people on both sides of this topic who are acting "dickish."
    Absolutely. Never suggested otherwise.

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    Re: Atheist messages displace CA park nativity scenes

    Quote Originally Posted by Removable Mind View Post
    The importance lies in the ignorance people have about atheism. Atheism is very simple. It's people who subscribe to the scientific explanation of the origin of the universe. It's not about communism, perversions, the freedom to live our their lives in an amoral way...etc. In fact, most atheists have the highest regard for the preservation of life and liberty. They don't look to get a reprieve in a confession booth.
    So, its important to you that they had gotten all 21 of the 21 spots so that they could've better fight the ignorance people have about athiesm by having 3 more spots that they'd do nothing with and leave empty, thus pissing people off and making them feel like Athiests are essentially jackasses who are just seeking to spoil peoples christmas displays?

    Not quite sure you're understanding how fighting ignorance works.

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