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    Re: Atheist messages displace CA park nativity scenes

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    Re: Atheist messages displace CA park nativity scenes

    Quote Originally Posted by LaMidRighter View Post
    Ah, so you don't like people ****ting on your beliefs so you choose to **** on their beliefs during their holidays. Yeah that will win sympathy, especially considering you aren't even getting payback on the people ****ting on your beliefs but rather "firing blind". Sorry, but you can't attack innocent people and use the "well they did it first" defense.
    It's not your holiday till you ask the Pagans and Wiccans' forgiveness for trampling over theirs. Many atheists in Northern Europe celebrate Yule, which predates your Johnny-come-lately party by some millenia.
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    Re: Atheist messages displace CA park nativity scenes

    Quote Originally Posted by Manc Skipper View Post
    It's not your holiday till you ask the Pagans and Wiccans' forgiveness for trampling over theirs. Many atheists in Northern Europe celebrate Yule, which predates your Johnny-come-lately party by some millenia.
    Oh Blah Blah Blah! According to a few historians a few things got borrowed, that isn't even close to mockery.
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    Re: Atheist messages displace CA park nativity scenes

    Quote Originally Posted by Removable Mind View Post
    So since I'm an atheist, you're saying that I'm a dick? All atheists are dicks? That tells me just how much you don't have a clue about atheism or anything much about humanity as a whole.
    Psst, Ikari is an athiest himself.

    I believe he's speaking about the athiests in question in the OP, not calling all athiests dicks.

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    Re: Atheist messages displace CA park nativity scenes

    Quote Originally Posted by LaMidRighter View Post
    Some people did **** on others beliefs, some people still do. But for the most part the only christians I see starting **** these days are fundamentalists and some of the more fringe Evangelicals. You don't tend to see mainstream Catholics, Baptists, or Protestants doing anything but expressing our own beliefs these days though there are some. Again though, "you did it first" isn't a defense, if Athiests are supposedly better according to the snobs within the movement isn't better behavior preferable?

    As well I've seen Atiests pull the "we're outnumbered" card quite a few times. Do you really think it's worth sacrificing the progress you've mentioned by pissing off the faithfull en masse?
    What can I do about it? I can't make them not do this, I don't have that power. They're free to be dicks. I'm surprised that people are surprised that groups of humans have jerks in them as if their groups don't (actually, they often times admit to having their own jerks but somehow think we should be able to keep some better leash on our jerks than they can their jerks). Some of you theists come after atheists because we happen to have a group of dicks that associate with us and run their mouths. Every group has it. Can you shut up those "fundamentalists and some of the more fringe Evangelicals"? No, of course not. They have the right to sit there and run their mouths, they can be dicks so long as they keep within the confines of the law. So why would you think my group is any different? I can't stop the jerks on the atheists side anymore than you can stop the jerks on the theists side. And we all have them. That's that. You get all up in arms about stories like this, but this is just a group of jerks being jerks and nothing more. Jerks are all over the place, they like to **** over everybody's good times. It ain't isolated to one ideology or one group; some humans are just jerks. Why be surprised and be all pissed off at these atheists? They don't represent the whole of atheists, they're just a group of jerks. Everyone's got them.
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    Re: Atheist messages displace CA park nativity scenes

    Quote Originally Posted by LaMidRighter View Post
    Oh Blah Blah Blah! According to a few historians a few things got borrowed, that isn't even close to mockery.
    Lots of things "got borrowed". Easter is another. You know where Easter Eggs and the Easter Bunny came from?
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    Re: Atheist messages displace CA park nativity scenes

    Quote Originally Posted by DiAnna View Post
    No need to patronize me, I'm well aware of those laws and the limitations of Freedom of Speech. My problem is the level of outrage being expressed by some in this thread at the atheist groups and the lack of outrage toward the idiots who thought a lottery for PUBLIC space during a holiday season celebrated by several religions and the secular alike was a great idea. And every winner gets 9 cages? Not one, not two, but 9?

    This was poorly done and conceptually stupid. I certainly wouldn't have done it, but there are dingbats in every segment of society. Islam has fundamentalist kooks who like to blow stuff up, Christianity has fundamentalist kooks who like to parade around with "God Hates Fags" signs, Judiasm has fundamentalist kooks who like to burn mosques in the West Bank, and Catholics have fundamentalist kooks who like to dress up as priests and molest alter boys. Secular, non-religious groups have kooks too, like kooks who think it's a great idea to bust Santa, Satan and Jesus in a holiday display.

    The level of outrage in this thread is unreasonable, as shown by the amount of anger you've directed toward my post... and me! I certainly didn't mention the Westboro church in my brief, but apparently extremely offensive post. And the last I heard, "I don't believe what you believe" is not covered under the "fighting words" exceptions clause.

    Personally, I think the groups putting their "message" across in this manner was foolish. But were they "dicks"? I'd have to meet them personally to have an opinion on that.
    From what I saw, it appears that the atheists got 18 of 21 spots.
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    Re: Atheist messages displace CA park nativity scenes

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    From what I saw, it appears that the atheists got 18 of 21 spots.
    Each person can individually apply for up to 9 cages, two such people did and each somehow got the max, thus 9+9=18.
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    Re: Atheist messages displace CA park nativity scenes

    Quote Originally Posted by American View Post
    From what I saw, it appears that the atheists got 18 of 21 spots.
    Its about time. Too bad they missed the other 3.

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    Re: Atheist messages displace CA park nativity scenes

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    What can I do about it? I can't make them not do this, I don't have that power. They're free to be dicks. I'm surprised that people are surprised that groups of humans have jerks in them as if their groups don't (actually, they often times admit to having their own jerks but somehow think we should be able to keep some better leash on our jerks than they can their jerks). Some of you theists come after atheists because we happen to have a group of dicks that associate with us and run their mouths. Every group has it. Can you shut up those "fundamentalists and some of the more fringe Evangelicals"? No, of course not. They have the right to sit there and run their mouths, they can be dicks so long as they keep within the confines of the law. So why would you think my group is any different? I can't stop the jerks on the atheists side anymore than you can stop the jerks on the theists side. And we all have them. That's that. You get all up in arms about stories like this, but this is just a group of jerks being jerks and nothing more. Jerks are all over the place, they like to **** over everybody's good times. It ain't isolated to one ideology or one group; some humans are just jerks. Why be surprised and be all pissed off at these atheists? They don't represent the whole of atheists, they're just a group of jerks. Everyone's got them.
    To sum it up. You've been more honest than some. My big problem is people excusing the group being dicks, I realize you can't do anything about it because it isn't your action.
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