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    Re: Atheist messages displace CA park nativity scenes

    Quote Originally Posted by evanescence View Post
    Maybe they are using them. By putting nothing there, they are representing their beliefs. Don't they have a right to do that?
    Their belief is nothing and they want to express nothing?

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    Re: Atheist messages displace CA park nativity scenes

    Quote Originally Posted by LaMidRighter View Post
    Couple of questions here for people accusing the christians of being hurt for losing a monopoly.
    1) If a group of christians decided to invade an atheist convention with large posters saying "all heathens rot in hell", "you're all unworthy", and then started to treat the attendees as if they are stupid and their beliefs are invalid and ridiculous what would you feel? I want you to remember that this would be targeting the atheist belief during their time, much like what these sub-human pricks did in this case.
    2) If said convention meets every year and does the same thing in the same location, but the christians ponied up more money to insure that doesn't get to happen just to "prove a point", what would you feel? I want you to remember, traditions mean things to people, and holidays are off limits to decent human beings. Read into that what you will.
    3) If other christians excused the above two and said "well, they're just pissed because we offered our view and they just wanted to keep their monopoly" what would be your response? I want you to remember, I would take up for the people displaced from their time and attack the people targeting them. But if it happens in the future I may decide not to do that since your side decided to condone what is being done here.
    So how would atheists feel if theists were dicks to them? Well that's pretty much been the standard operation for awhile. Which, ok, it's better than being killed which would have happened in the past; so we're on the up swing with them just being dicks. But still it would be a dick move and people would probably say "that's a dick move", and some will have an argument like is being held in this thread. And that's about it.
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    Re: Atheist messages displace CA park nativity scenes

    Quote Originally Posted by roughdraft274 View Post
    They have a right to do it, doesn't mean it's not childish behavior. They are acting like children that don't want to let the other kids play with their toys even if they aren't playing with them. Any normal person would discourage this behavior in their child, why can't we all agree that it's bad behavior here?
    Someone is acting like a child when expressing their religious beliefs.

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    Re: Atheist messages displace CA park nativity scenes

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    So how would atheists feel if theists were dicks to them? Well that's pretty much been the standard operation for awhile. Which, ok, it's better than being killed which would have happened in the past; so we're on the up swing with them just being dicks. But still it would be a dick move and people would probably say "that's a dick move", and some will have an argument like is being held in this thread. And that's about it.
    Ah, so you don't like people ****ting on your beliefs so you choose to **** on their beliefs during their holidays. Yeah that will win sympathy, especially considering you aren't even getting payback on the people ****ting on your beliefs but rather "firing blind". Sorry, but you can't attack innocent people and use the "well they did it first" defense.
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    Re: Atheist messages displace CA park nativity scenes

    Quote Originally Posted by LaMidRighter View Post
    Ah, so you don't like people ****ting on your beliefs so you choose to **** on their beliefs during their holidays. Yeah that will win sympathy, especially considering you aren't even getting payback on the people ****ting on your beliefs but rather "firing blind". Sorry, but you can't attack innocent people and use the "well they did it first" defense.
    I don't even know what the hell you are talking about. I just commented that theists being dicks is standard operating procedure and that it's better in than in the past. Additionally, I said that if we did this in reverse the result would be much like the result of this case. Most people will say "that's a dick move" and move on. Others will make a thread on an internet forum and bitch about it endlessly. That's it. Well I suppose it depends on the specifics of the "crowding out", if it's done legally then it would be as I said. Illegally and there's probably a few other issues which would arise.
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    Re: Atheist messages displace CA park nativity scenes

    Quote Originally Posted by LaMidRighter View Post
    Ah, so you don't like people ****ting on your beliefs so you choose to **** on their beliefs during their holidays. Yeah that will win sympathy, especially considering you aren't even getting payback on the people ****ting on your beliefs but rather "firing blind". Sorry, but you can't attack innocent people and use the "well they did it first" defense.
    I don't think he's using the "well they did it first" defense. I think he's stating in response to your hypothetical that he'd suggest that the people acting htat way were dicks, the same way he has been suggesting that the athiests in question here were acting like dicks.

    Dicks can still be dicks regardless of whether or not they believe in the divine. I think that's what he was stating.

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    Re: Atheist messages displace CA park nativity scenes

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    I don't even know what the hell you are talking about. I just commented that theists being dicks is standard operating procedure and that it's better in than in the past. Additionally, I said that if we did this in reverse the result would be much like the result of this case. Most people will say "that's a dick move" and move on. Others will make a thread on an internet forum and bitch about it endlessly. That's it. Well I suppose it depends on the specifics of the "crowding out", if it's done legally then it would be as I said. Illegally and there's probably a few other issues which would arise.
    You are asserting that your side was wronged first. I disagree, in fact your side has done plenty of pushing. Again, there is no excuse for attacking anybody, especially during a time of religious celebration/reflection. You're better than excusing what this particular garbage did.
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    Re: Atheist messages displace CA park nativity scenes

    Quote Originally Posted by Zyphlin View Post
    I don't think he's using the "well they did it first" defense. I think he's stating in response to your hypothetical that he'd suggest that the people acting htat way were dicks, the same way he has been suggesting that the athiests in question here were acting like dicks.

    Dicks can still be dicks regardless of whether or not they believe in the divine. I think that's what he was stating.
    Ahh. Didn't look that way, maybe I misread. Really if, to paraphrase former president GWB "people would just cut that **** out" maybe we wouldn't have to have these damn political wars.
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    Re: Atheist messages displace CA park nativity scenes

    Quote Originally Posted by LaMidRighter View Post
    You are asserting that your side was wronged first.
    That's just history. Sorry if you don't like it. I did say it's better now.

    Quote Originally Posted by LaMidRighter View Post
    I disagree, in fact your side has done plenty of pushing. Again, there is no excuse for attacking anybody, especially during a time of religious celebration/reflection. You're better than excusing what this particular garbage did.
    Disagree with history if you like, no skin off my teeth. No one is being attacked here, BTW. I'm not sure what all this prima donna stuff is all about. I'm not excusing what they did either, I said it was a dick move that they should have given up the spots unused. But they didn't have to, and they didn't. That's it. It's just a group of dicks being dicks. And if it were reverse, everything here would be exactly the same with arguments perhaps reversed for some of you. But I'd be consistent in calling them jerks, and allowing them to do as they like.

    For ****'s sake, it's called reading. Please do so more carefully. You're trying to read things that are not there and which are not consistent with posts I have already made in this thread.
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    Re: Atheist messages displace CA park nativity scenes

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    That's just history. Sorry if you don't like it. I did say it's better now.



    Disagree with history if you like, no skin off my teeth. No one is being attacked here, BTW. I'm not sure what all this prima donna stuff is all about. I'm not excusing what they did either, I said it was a dick move that they should have given up the spots unused. But they didn't have to, and they didn't. That's it. It's just a group of dicks being dicks. And if it were reverse, everything here would be exactly the same with arguments perhaps reversed for some of you. But I'd be consistent in calling them jerks, and allowing them to do as they like.

    For ****'s sake, it's called reading. Please do so more carefully. You're trying to read things that are not there and which are not consistent with posts I have already made in this thread.
    Some people did **** on others beliefs, some people still do. But for the most part the only christians I see starting **** these days are fundamentalists and some of the more fringe Evangelicals. You don't tend to see mainstream Catholics, Baptists, or Protestants doing anything but expressing our own beliefs these days though there are some. Again though, "you did it first" isn't a defense, if Athiests are supposedly better according to the snobs within the movement isn't better behavior preferable?

    As well I've seen Atiests pull the "we're outnumbered" card quite a few times. Do you really think it's worth sacrificing the progress you've mentioned by pissing off the faithfull en masse?
    Neither side in an argument can find the truth when both make an absolute claim on it.

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