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    Re: Atheist messages displace CA park nativity scenes

    Quote Originally Posted by evanescence View Post
    Were the drawings fair? Was there any wrongdoing by the atheists (I mean other than hurting someone's feelings)?
    I have yet to say that anything that the athiests did was against the rules/laws. How many times must I say this also?

    So...are you going to answer the question that Redress refused to answer? Or for that matter, will anyone?
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    Re: Atheist messages displace CA park nativity scenes

    Quote Originally Posted by misterman View Post
    They may be being jackases. But they have a right to. Don't confuse the two.

    I like how people whine about others being "offended" when someone mentions Christmas. Well, now's your chance not to be offended when someone else expresses their beliefs.
    And those Christians have a right to state a valid complaint about it.
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    Re: Atheist messages displace CA park nativity scenes

    Quote Originally Posted by DiAnna View Post
    That's what happens when someone is forced to repeat the same facts over and over again. Your problem is with whoever wrote the "rules" to a lottery for display cages on public property.
    It also happens when someone fails to acknowledge that someone may have a valid complaint, instead calling them whiners and saying that they are just "crying" about "not having a monopoly anymore" (which by the way is not the issue despite what some people in this thread have been saying)
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    Re: Atheist messages displace CA park nativity scenes

    Quote Originally Posted by DiAnna View Post
    Ridiculous analogy. Conventions are basically invitation-only gatherings on private property. In no way does that equal a come-one, come-all lottery for display space on PUBLIC property.

    You're presuming that the holiday season belongs only to Christians. It doesn't.
    What if that convention is held in a park? A public area?
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    Re: Atheist messages displace CA park nativity scenes

    Quote Originally Posted by LaMidRighter View Post
    Couple of questions here for people accusing the christians of being hurt for losing a monopoly.
    1) If a group of christians decided to invade an atheist convention with large posters saying "all heathens rot in hell", "you're all unworthy", and then started to treat the attendees as if they are stupid and their beliefs are invalid and ridiculous what would you feel? I want you to remember that this would be targeting the atheist belief during their time, much like what these sub-human pricks did in this case.
    I would laugh and hope there is enough security to escort them out of the building. Then I'd have a sandwich.

    2) If said convention meets every year and does the same thing in the same location, but the christians ponied up more money to insure that doesn't get to happen just to "prove a point", what would you feel? I want you to remember, traditions mean things to people, and holidays are off limits to decent human beings. Read into that what you will.
    Atheists would find another place. Like Vegas. Many places there.

    3) If other christians excused the above two and said "well, they're just pissed because we offered our view and they just wanted to keep their monopoly" what would be your response? I want you to remember, I would take up for the people displaced from their time and attack the people targeting them. But if it happens in the future I may decide not to do that since your side decided to condone what is being done here.
    You really don't get it do you? The overwhelming majority of atheists don't really about your views or your imaginary friend. We laugh at your ability to get hurt at random posters in nowheresville in California. We trollz ya for ****s and giggles yo.
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    Re: Atheist messages displace CA park nativity scenes

    Quote Originally Posted by LaMidRighter View Post
    Time/Place/manner. The standard for speech is Time/Place/Manner, while this speech is not to be tested but rather it is protected it is the age old question of "just because you can do something should you?". I ask, what is the purpose of choosing this time which is well known as a Christian/Jewish holiday season to take as many lots as possible? Also what is the purpose of pushing people out of their traditionally held place of holiday display to replace it with an message incongruous to the traditional displays? And what is the manner used?

    1) The time is offensive because it is a holiday, it's already bad enough to condescend to people who have a different belief but to attack during a holiday is much worse.
    2) Atheists can use that public display area any time during the year, the only reason to do that now and there is to be a jackass.
    3) There is no excuse to belittle anothers beliefs but especially at this moment.
    4) Christians have every right to be upset and even more so because the side doing the attack is trying to dismiss it as the victims being upset that they aren't "entitled" to the displays. This of course is intentionally not understanding the issue to dismiss jackass behavior by a bunch of numb nuts.
    So basically, you believe that society should censor messages that are offensive to certain people because it's a certain time of the year? That doesn't sound like liberty to me.

    Quote Originally Posted by Kal'Stang View Post
    I have yet to say that anything that the athiests did was against the rules/laws. How many times must I say this also?

    So...are you going to answer the question that Redress refused to answer? Or for that matter, will anyone?
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    Re: Atheist messages displace CA park nativity scenes

    Quote Originally Posted by Kal'Stang View Post
    It also happens when someone fails to acknowledge that someone may have a valid complaint, instead calling them whiners and saying that they are just "crying" about "not having a monopoly anymore" (which by the way is not the issue despite what some people in this thread have been saying)
    I don't want to speak for Redress, but it's possible he doesn't acknowledge that they have a valid complaint because he doesn't believe that they DO have a valid complaint. I don't think their complaint is valid. They lost the lottery, someone they don't like won, and they're angry about it. Tell them to lobby the city for a rules change. They can start with the rule that each winner can claim up to 9 display cages. Complaining about that is valid. Complaining about what others did or did not do with the displays they rightfully claimed is not valid.

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    Re: Atheist messages displace CA park nativity scenes

    Quote Originally Posted by Kal'Stang View Post
    And those Christians have a right to state a valid complaint about it.
    Well, yeah, we're back to the beginning of the circle.
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    Re: Atheist messages displace CA park nativity scenes

    Quote Originally Posted by evanescence View Post
    So basically, you believe that society should censor messages that are offensive to certain people because it's a certain time of the year? That doesn't sound like liberty to me..
    It's the War on the War on Christmas!
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    Re: Atheist messages displace CA park nativity scenes

    Quote Originally Posted by DiAnna View Post
    By "tradition", you mean Christian symbols on PUBLIC property. I repeat, the holidays do not belong to Christians alone. PUBLIC property must be made available to ALL groups wishing to display a holiday message. If they try to deny a group because they don't agree with that group's message, the city can and probably will be sued. "These particular Athiests" put up a message that I personally wouldn't have used. But they wanted to do it, they won the right to do it, and all the "should have left the issue alone" feelings do... not... matter. The said what they wanted to say, they had a right to say it, and "your" traditions are clearly not "their" traditions. A militant atheist would probably tell you that various religions have been ****ting on their traditions for centuries. And frankly, from their perspective, they'd be right.
    I don't quite agree with this. Public space should be used for anyone irregardless of a holiday.

    As for the rest, two wrongs do not make a right. Pretty much everyone in this thread agrees that what the athiests did was dickish, but instead of ignoring it or saying that they "have a right to do it" (which no one disputes) we should condemn it. We have that right also.
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