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    Re: Atheist messages displace CA park nativity scenes

    Quote Originally Posted by Kal'Stang View Post
    Yep, you definitely ran out of things to say. You sound like a broken record.
    That's what happens when someone is forced to repeat the same facts over and over again. Your problem is with whoever wrote the "rules" to a lottery for display cages on public property.

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    Re: Atheist messages displace CA park nativity scenes

    Quote Originally Posted by LaMidRighter View Post
    Couple of questions here for people accusing the christians of being hurt for losing a monopoly.
    1) If a group of christians decided to invade an atheist convention with large posters saying "all heathens rot in hell", "you're all unworthy", and then started to treat the attendees as if they are stupid and their beliefs are invalid and ridiculous what would you feel? I want you to remember that this would be targeting the atheist belief during their time, much like what these sub-human pricks did in this case.
    2) If said convention meets every year and does the same thing in the same location, but the christians ponied up more money to insure that doesn't get to happen just to "prove a point", what would you feel? I want you to remember, traditions mean things to people, and holidays are off limits to decent human beings. Read into that what you will.
    3) If other christians excused the above two and said "well, they're just pissed because we offered our view and they just wanted to keep their monopoly" what would be your response? I want you to remember, I would take up for the people displaced from their time and attack the people targeting them. But if it happens in the future I may decide not to do that since your side decided to condone what is being done here.
    Ridiculous analogy. Conventions are basically invitation-only gatherings on private property. In no way does that equal a come-one, come-all lottery for display space on PUBLIC property.

    You're presuming that the holiday season belongs only to Christians. It doesn't.

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    Re: Atheist messages displace CA park nativity scenes

    Quote Originally Posted by DiAnna View Post
    Ridiculous analogy. Conventions are basically invitation-only gatherings on private property. In no way does that equal a come-one, come-all lottery for display space on PUBLIC property.

    You're presuming that the holiday season belongs only to Christians. It doesn't.
    The holiday season isn't a "christian only" thing, I never said that. Here's the thing, under my analogy let's say that the convention was held at the same place every year, okay, christians don't like the message so they get the money together to crowd out the convention and then put up signs saying "non-believers burn in hell". I would not condone that behavior as a Catholic and frankly that would be completely wrong. The particular issue is that a tradition basically got **** on by a specific group of Athiests, not the belief in general but a bunch of bigoted dirtbags.
    Public property or not, these particular Athiests should have left the issue alone, just like believers should let Athiests do their thing in peace. I don't see where I'm wrong here.
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    Re: Atheist messages displace CA park nativity scenes

    Quote Originally Posted by LaMidRighter View Post
    The holiday season isn't a "christian only" thing, I never said that. Here's the thing, under my analogy let's say that the convention was held at the same place every year, okay, christians don't like the message so they get the money together to crowd out the convention and then put up signs saying "non-believers burn in hell". I would not condone that behavior as a Catholic and frankly that would be completely wrong.
    Again, you're talking about private property. If Christians decided to have an atheist-bashing convention at the same time and place the atheist usually used, they are free to do so and the atheists can find another site to hold their convention. Both groups have the right to hold conventions to bash each other if they wish. You don't seem able to grasp this fact.


    The particular issue is that a tradition basically got **** on by a specific group of Athiests, not the belief in general but a bunch of bigoted dirtbags.
    Public property or not, these particular Athiests should have left the issue alone, just like believers should let Athiests do their thing in peace. I don't see where I'm wrong here.
    By "tradition", you mean Christian symbols on PUBLIC property. I repeat, the holidays do not belong to Christians alone. PUBLIC property must be made available to ALL groups wishing to display a holiday message. If they try to deny a group because they don't agree with that group's message, the city can and probably will be sued. "These particular Athiests" put up a message that I personally wouldn't have used. But they wanted to do it, they won the right to do it, and all the "should have left the issue alone" feelings do... not... matter. The said what they wanted to say, they had a right to say it, and "your" traditions are clearly not "their" traditions. A militant atheist would probably tell you that various religions have been ****ting on their traditions for centuries. And frankly, from their perspective, they'd be right.

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    Re: Atheist messages displace CA park nativity scenes

    Quote Originally Posted by LaMidRighter View Post
    So you condone people attacking others for the sole reason of being douchebags and inflicting offense? Do you think they actually have a point to the behavior? If anything I'll tell you the athiests in that particular group are being childish.
    I didn't say I condone it. I don't. But yes, they have a point. I think many Christians have acted childish in their insistence that they get special treatment and exclusive access to the public square in the past. Which is probably what motivates the atheists.
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    Re: Atheist messages displace CA park nativity scenes

    Quote Originally Posted by LaMidRighter View Post
    The holiday season isn't a "christian only" thing, I never said that. Here's the thing, under my analogy let's say that the convention was held at the same place every year, okay, christians don't like the message so they get the money together to crowd out the convention and then put up signs saying "non-believers burn in hell". I would not condone that behavior as a Catholic and frankly that would be completely wrong.
    Yeah, okay, but that happens pretty much every day and you didn't notice. Do you get upset when those little signs outside churches proclaim that non-believers will burn in hell?
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    Re: Atheist messages displace CA park nativity scenes

    Quote Originally Posted by DiAnna View Post
    Again, you're talking about private property. If Christians decided to have an atheist-bashing convention at the same time and place the atheist usually used, they are free to do so and the atheists can find another site to hold their convention. Both groups have the right to hold conventions to bash each other if they wish. You don't seem able to grasp this fact.
    The point I am making is that it isn't right either way, it's a dick move. Public or private property it's using a loophole to slap someone in the face.




    By "tradition", you mean Christian symbols on PUBLIC property.
    So? There is a freedom of not from religion.
    I repeat, the holidays do not belong to Christians alone.
    Okay? So basically it's okay to mock people because you want in on their holiday. Frankly Chanuka and Christmas are celebrated right now, the Pagans have something as well. It's not just "super happy fun time away from work" for all of us.
    PUBLIC property must be made available to ALL groups wishing to display a holiday message. If they try to deny a group because they don't agree with that group's message, the city can and probably will be sued.
    I never said the athiests don't have a claim to public space, rather that what they did here is rude, condescending, and frankly ill timed.
    "These particular Athiests" put up a message that I personally wouldn't have used.
    But you are condoning it.
    But they wanted to do it, they won the right to do it, and all the "should have left the issue alone" feelings do... not... matter. The said what they wanted to say, they had a right to say it, and "your" traditions are clearly not "their" traditions. A militant atheist would probably tell you that various religions have been ****ting on their traditions for centuries. And frankly, from their perspective, they'd be right.
    And I say they are sub-human garbage and hope they someday learn some manners.
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    Re: Atheist messages displace CA park nativity scenes

    Quote Originally Posted by misterman View Post
    Yeah, okay, but that happens pretty much every day and you didn't notice. Do you get upset when those little signs outside churches proclaim that non-believers will burn in hell?
    Yes I do. I think they are out of line which I have stated in this very thread.
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    Re: Atheist messages displace CA park nativity scenes

    Quote Originally Posted by LaMidRighter View Post
    The point I am making is that it isn't right either way, it's a dick move. Public or private property it's using a loophole to slap someone in the face.
    It may be a dick move. Christians also commit dick moves sometimes. It's not a "loophole" to express one's religious beliefs, even if they attack another. That's a right.
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    Re: Atheist messages displace CA park nativity scenes

    Quote Originally Posted by LaMidRighter View Post
    Yes I do. I think they are out of line which I have stated in this very thread.
    Okay, just making sure.
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