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    Re: Atheist messages displace CA park nativity scenes

    Quote Originally Posted by Kal'Stang View Post
    I think he ran out of things to say. He can't even tell me where I "apparently" advocated against free speech. Nevermind that he never answered my question from post #312.
    Random drawing. Fair to every one. Your group does not win. Lost it's monopoly. Crying that other groups get to put out there message. It's pretty clear.
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    Re: Atheist messages displace CA park nativity scenes

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    Random drawing. Fair to every one. Your group does not win. Lost it's monopoly. Crying that other groups get to put out there message. It's pretty clear.
    Yep, you definitely ran out of things to say. You sound like a broken record.
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    Re: Atheist messages displace CA park nativity scenes

    Couple of questions here for people accusing the christians of being hurt for losing a monopoly.
    1) If a group of christians decided to invade an atheist convention with large posters saying "all heathens rot in hell", "you're all unworthy", and then started to treat the attendees as if they are stupid and their beliefs are invalid and ridiculous what would you feel? I want you to remember that this would be targeting the atheist belief during their time, much like what these sub-human pricks did in this case.
    2) If said convention meets every year and does the same thing in the same location, but the christians ponied up more money to insure that doesn't get to happen just to "prove a point", what would you feel? I want you to remember, traditions mean things to people, and holidays are off limits to decent human beings. Read into that what you will.
    3) If other christians excused the above two and said "well, they're just pissed because we offered our view and they just wanted to keep their monopoly" what would be your response? I want you to remember, I would take up for the people displaced from their time and attack the people targeting them. But if it happens in the future I may decide not to do that since your side decided to condone what is being done here.
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    Re: Atheist messages displace CA park nativity scenes

    Quote Originally Posted by Kal'Stang View Post
    Yep, you definitely ran out of things to say. You sound like a broken record.
    He summed it up perfectly. For example: try actually disputing anything in that post.
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    Re: Atheist messages displace CA park nativity scenes

    Quote Originally Posted by evanescence View Post
    He summed it up perfectly. For example: try actually disputing anything in that post.
    Since when is voiceing a legitimate complaint considered "crying"? Should we start using that arguement everytime someone posts in the Bias in the Media fora? The US Partisan Politics and Political Platforms fora? How about the Abortion fora every time someone "crys" about Roe vs Wade?

    Woudl Redress being "crying" if someone came up and started being dicks to em just because of an ideological difference? Or would Redress have a valid complaint? In post 312 I asked Redress directly this...

    Quote Originally Posted by Kal'Stang View Post
    Bold part: Yes, there is a definate difference in attitudes here.

    Underlined part: Has anyone here disputed this fact?

    Red part: Accepting the outcome of a drawing is one thing, accepting the dickish moves is quite another. Would you accept it and stayed silent if someone came along and were dicks to you on purpose? Or would you have something to say about it? Mind you, they have the right to be dicks to you...1st amendment and all.
    Redress chose to respond by saying....

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    So you don't like free speech. Good luck changing the constitution.
    Perhaps you can answer it?
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    Re: Atheist messages displace CA park nativity scenes

    Quote Originally Posted by Kal'Stang View Post
    And they did win 9 slots each didn't they? That equals 18 does it not? And are you denying the fact that combined they only used up 3 of the 18 slots?

    BTW, I may believe in God, but I am against organized religion (I've said this before on this forum, a few times I believe). So I could care less if Christians got it or the Athiests or the Muslims. What I do care about and have talked about quite a bit in this thread is the deliberate attempt by one group to push out another group. If the situation here was exactly reversed I would be hollering about it.
    While it's arguable that the situation wasn't exactly reversed here, it is in many parts of the country.
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    Re: Atheist messages displace CA park nativity scenes

    Quote Originally Posted by Kal'Stang View Post
    Since when is voiceing a legitimate complaint considered "crying"? Should we start using that arguement everytime someone posts in the Bias in the Media fora? The US Partisan Politics and Political Platforms fora? How about the Abortion fora every time someone "crys" about Roe vs Wade?

    Woudl Redress being "crying" if someone came up and started being dicks to em just because of an ideological difference? Or would Redress have a valid complaint? In post 312 I asked Redress directly this...



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    Were the drawings fair? Was there any wrongdoing by the atheists (I mean other than hurting someone's feelings)?
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    Re: Atheist messages displace CA park nativity scenes

    Time/Place/manner. The standard for speech is Time/Place/Manner, while this speech is not to be tested but rather it is protected it is the age old question of "just because you can do something should you?". I ask, what is the purpose of choosing this time which is well known as a Christian/Jewish holiday season to take as many lots as possible? Also what is the purpose of pushing people out of their traditionally held place of holiday display to replace it with an message incongruous to the traditional displays? And what is the manner used?

    1) The time is offensive because it is a holiday, it's already bad enough to condescend to people who have a different belief but to attack during a holiday is much worse.
    2) Atheists can use that public display area any time during the year, the only reason to do that now and there is to be a jackass.
    3) There is no excuse to belittle anothers beliefs but especially at this moment.
    4) Christians have every right to be upset and even more so because the side doing the attack is trying to dismiss it as the victims being upset that they aren't "entitled" to the displays. This of course is intentionally not understanding the issue to dismiss jackass behavior by a bunch of numb nuts.
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    Re: Atheist messages displace CA park nativity scenes

    Quote Originally Posted by LaMidRighter View Post
    Time/Place/manner. The standard for speech is Time/Place/Manner, while this speech is not to be tested but rather it is protected it is the age old question of "just because you can do something should you?". I ask, what is the purpose of choosing this time which is well known as a Christian/Jewish holiday season to take as many lots as possible? Also what is the purpose of pushing people out of their traditionally held place of holiday display to replace it with an message incongruous to the traditional displays? And what is the manner used?

    1) The time is offensive because it is a holiday, it's already bad enough to condescend to people who have a different belief but to attack during a holiday is much worse.
    2) Atheists can use that public display area any time during the year, the only reason to do that now and there is to be a jackass.
    3) There is no excuse to belittle anothers beliefs but especially at this moment.
    4) Christians have every right to be upset and even more so because the side doing the attack is trying to dismiss it as the victims being upset that they aren't "entitled" to the displays. This of course is intentionally not understanding the issue to dismiss jackass behavior by a bunch of numb nuts.
    They may be being jackases. But they have a right to. Don't confuse the two.

    I like how people whine about others being "offended" when someone mentions Christmas. Well, now's your chance not to be offended when someone else expresses their beliefs.
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    Re: Atheist messages displace CA park nativity scenes

    Quote Originally Posted by misterman View Post
    They may be being jackases. But they have a right to. Don't confuse the two.

    I like how people whine about others being "offended" when someone mentions Christmas. Well, now's your chance not to be offended when someone else expresses their beliefs.
    So you condone people attacking others for the sole reason of being douchebags and inflicting offense? Do you think they actually have a point to the behavior? If anything I'll tell you the athiests in that particular group are being childish.
    Neither side in an argument can find the truth when both make an absolute claim on it.

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