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    Re: Atheist messages displace CA park nativity scenes

    Quote Originally Posted by digsbe View Post
    It's rude to try and overpower another's display with arrogance. I believe in spreading my beliefs through my actions, not through offending others and being arrogant. The whole point is that their goal is to displace a nativity scene in the name of their disbelief in God. It's rude, it's legal, but it's only purpose is to offend people.
    People looking for something to be offended by will find it every time. How do you know that they weren't trying to educate people about hypothetical constructs?
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    Re: Atheist messages displace CA park nativity scenes

    Quote Originally Posted by Thorgasm View Post
    People looking for something to be offended by will find it every time. How do you know that they weren't trying to educate people about hypothetical constructs?
    Because their goal was to displace a nativity scene. Their goal was to overshadow someone else's traditional display and interject their own. This was hardly some innocent educational ploy.
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    Re: Atheist messages displace CA park nativity scenes

    Quote Originally Posted by digsbe View Post
    Because their goal was to displace a nativity scene. Their goal was to overshadow someone else's traditional display and interject their own. This was hardly some innocent educational ploy.
    These people can put up a nativity scene anywhere they want - a church, their home, maybe even a public park. They aren't entitled to put it in any official space, nor does winning a lottery preventing them from doing so infringe on their "traditional display." They don't need the government to officially bless their religion in order to legitimize it - if they do, they ought to think about how strong their faith is in the first place. They had "interjected" their own display a long time while other couldn't, until the government decided to settle that problem with a lottery, rather than simply banning all displays.

    The bottom line is that they lost a lottery. They should deal with it.
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    Re: Atheist messages displace CA park nativity scenes

    Quote Originally Posted by misterman View Post
    Huh? I didn't say that.

    Other religions may want to set up some kind of symbol. You have to either let them all do it, or none.
    I grew up in the 60's, and these were never issues. Why now?

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    Re: Atheist messages displace CA park nativity scenes

    The craziest part of this story is the line that "vandal-proof, cage-like areas surrounded by chain-link fencing" will house the displays.

    I can't think of anything more inspiring than the navity scene surrounded by a chain link fence. I know, I know that vandals will damage anything but the chain link fence just makes me say Why even bother putting it there.

    Can't these two groups of people find something more beneficial for their communities to do ?

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    Re: Atheist messages displace CA park nativity scenes

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    For somebody with supposedly thick skin you are making quite an effort to complain about a few posters in a different time zone from you.
    And you're making quite an effort to dismiss genuine concerns.
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    Re: Atheist messages displace CA park nativity scenes

    Quote Originally Posted by bicycleman View Post
    I grew up in the 60's, and these were never issues. Why now?
    Good question. Not really relevant to an argument though.

    You could have asked the same of, say, the civil rights movement.
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    Re: Atheist messages displace CA park nativity scenes

    Quote Originally Posted by Crosscheck View Post
    The craziest part of this story is the line that "vandal-proof, cage-like areas surrounded by chain-link fencing" will house the displays.

    I can't think of anything more inspiring than the navity scene surrounded by a chain link fence. I know, I know that vandals will damage anything but the chain link fence just makes me say Why even bother putting it there.

    Can't these two groups of people find something more beneficial for their communities to do ?
    They're underestimating the creativity and determination of vandals bent on destroying other people's property.
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    Re: Atheist messages displace CA park nativity scenes

    Quote Originally Posted by misterman View Post
    These people can put up a nativity scene anywhere they want - a church, their home, maybe even a public park. They aren't entitled to put it in any official space, nor does winning a lottery preventing them from doing so infringe on their "traditional display." They don't need the government to officially bless their religion in order to legitimize it - if they do, they ought to think about how strong their faith is in the first place. They had "interjected" their own display a long time while other couldn't, until the government decided to settle that problem with a lottery, rather than simply banning all displays.

    The bottom line is that they lost a lottery. They should deal with it.
    Bold part: False. Before this year there were always at least 7 other slots left open in which anyone else could display whatever it is that they wanted. They did not try to crowd out anyone else. These athiests purposely set out to crowd out everyone else.
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    Re: Atheist messages displace CA park nativity scenes

    Quote Originally Posted by Kal'Stang View Post
    Bold part: False. Before this year there were always at least 7 other slots left open in which anyone else could display whatever it is that they wanted. They did not try to crowd out anyone else. These athiests purposely set out to crowd out everyone else.
    So they got 14 slots, and everyone else got 7? That's not fair. That's why there was a lottery, apparently. And they lost. They should deal with that and stop whining. They had the dominant spot, with twice the slots as everyone else combined, and now they don't.

    Like I said before, this whole affair just reveals how dumb and pointless it is to seek an official "slot" to put up your little display in the first place. Just put it in your front yard or church or a park where there is plenty of room for everyone, instead of a place where it gets into "respecting an establishment of religion" territory.
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