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    Re: Atheist messages displace CA park nativity scenes

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    That you assume they don't exist, because by definition you can't prove a miracle by experimentation. Or at least you cannot reenact it at will; I suppose you could investigate various miraculous objects or scenes and come to some sort of circumstantial conclusion, but I doubt that is really what you mostly meant.

    So you simply assume they don't happen. As I said there are some strange and credulous people in the world.
    There is a large, unsubtle difference between not believing in something, and believing something does not exist.
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    Re: Atheist messages displace CA park nativity scenes

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    There is a large, unsubtle difference between not believing in something, and believing something does not exist.
    Yes, usually between those who don't think out their belief system very well.
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    Re: Atheist messages displace CA park nativity scenes

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    You just showed zero evidence that the lottery was rigged. Nicely done.
    I said it looked rigged, and very much so in that 86% of the available lots were won by one group and none by christians. It's a statistical anomaly as I stated and honestly those don't pop up too often which is why in the first year of this initiative it looks pretty shady. I'll leave it at this: If everything was honest that's fine, it does not excuse the fact that this particular group of atheists decided to use the public square during a christian/jewish holiday season to insult people of faith, it's also insulting that people are excusing this because frankly if people of my own faith were being dicks I would be the first person to say so.

    Example: In my city there is a christian crackpot from some offshoot version of the faith that protests everything he can get to that involves drinking, dancing, or even socializing. The jackhole has protested college football games, the bar strips, concerts, even fundraisers. What he does is gets in people's faces screaming that they are going to hell and they need to leave, he's obnoxious and obviously unwelcome. The guy is a dick no matter what his intentions are and his opinions are unwelcome, the over the top things Hatuey posted from some christian groups offend me much like this issue does and those who posted the message should be ashamed of themselves because frankly, they make my side look like a bunch of jerks via association.
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    Re: Atheist messages displace CA park nativity scenes

    Quote Originally Posted by LaMidRighter View Post
    I said it looked rigged, and very much so in that 86% of the available lots were won by one group and none by christians. It's a statistical anomaly as I stated and honestly those don't pop up too often which is why in the first year of this initiative it looks pretty shady. I'll leave it at this: If everything was honest that's fine, it does not excuse the fact that this particular group of atheists decided to use the public square during a christian/jewish holiday season to insult people of faith, it's also insulting that people are excusing this because frankly if people of my own faith were being dicks I would be the first person to say so.

    Example: In my city there is a christian crackpot from some offshoot version of the faith that protests everything he can get to that involves drinking, dancing, or even socializing. The jackhole has protested college football games, the bar strips, concerts, even fundraisers. What he does is gets in people's faces screaming that they are going to hell and they need to leave, he's obnoxious and obviously unwelcome. The guy is a dick no matter what his intentions are and his opinions are unwelcome, the over the top things Hatuey posted from some christian groups offend me much like this issue does and those who posted the message should be ashamed of themselves because frankly, they make my side look like a bunch of jerks via association.
    You still have not read the story have you? If you had, you would know that each person who won could claim up to 9 spots(why? I dunno, sounds stupid to me but them's the rules). So there goes the statistical anomaly.
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    Re: Atheist messages displace CA park nativity scenes

    Quote Originally Posted by Wessexman View Post
    Yes, usually between those who don't think out their belief system very well.
    The reverse actually.
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    Re: Atheist messages displace CA park nativity scenes

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    You still have not read the story have you? If you had, you would know that each person who won could claim up to 9 spots(why? I dunno, sounds stupid to me but them's the rules). So there goes the statistical anomaly.
    Yes, but here's the thing. Depending on the number of applicants those numbers don't necessarily change the odds. There really isn't a lot of information about the drawing method, total number of of spots taken, etc.

    Edit- I read the story in it's entirety.
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    Re: Atheist messages displace CA park nativity scenes

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    The reverse actually.
    Those who think out their belief systems make affirmations about what they believe and their knowledge for it. These are basically equal for whatever they believe, don't believe and their views of knowledge. When you get down to it there is no difference in the basic framework of the agnostic and atheist to the theist. Those who simply say I don't believe there is evidence for a God, without really putting much effort into what they mean by evidence and knowledge and what their view of these tells them about the universe, usually haven't thought things out too well.
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    Re: Atheist messages displace CA park nativity scenes

    Quote Originally Posted by LaMidRighter View Post
    Yes, but here's the thing. Depending on the number of applicants those numbers don't necessarily change the odds. There really isn't a lot of information about the drawing method, total number of of spots taken, etc.

    Edit- I read the story in it's entirety.
    Correct, there isn't, but 2 is not really a statistical anomaly unless the number of christians versus atheists was heavily skewed.
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    Re: Atheist messages displace CA park nativity scenes

    Quote Originally Posted by Wessexman View Post
    Those who think out their belief systems make affirmations about what they believe and their knowledge for it. These are basically equal for whatever they believe, don't believe and their views of knowledge. When you get down to it there is no difference in the basic framework of the agnostic and atheist to the theist. Those who simply say I don't believe there is evidence for a God, without really putting much effort into what they mean by evidence and knowledge and what their view of these tells them about the universe, usually haven't thought things out too well.
    Oh bull****. Why do you derail every ****ing thread you post in with your offtopic arrogant bull****? I certainly do not care about your bizarre little belief structure nor is it relevant to the topic.
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    Re: Atheist messages displace CA park nativity scenes

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    Correct, there isn't, but 2 is not really a statistical anomaly unless the number of christians versus atheists was heavily skewed.
    I can agree with that.
    Neither side in an argument can find the truth when both make an absolute claim on it.

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