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    Re: Atheist messages displace CA park nativity scenes

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    While I understand the irony, they are no more dicks than those who want to put their message in and are complaining now that they have competition.
    I don't see how these are equal. Setting up a nativity does not equate with calling an entire group of people's beliefs myth. The nativity scene is also not set up as a form of malice or confrontation like these posters are. they would be equal if a Christian group tried to crowed around a Jewish or Muslim display and called their beliefs myths publicly.
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    Re: Atheist messages displace CA park nativity scenes

    Quote Originally Posted by digsbe View Post
    For not claiming to have any faith these dicks sure do want to spread their beliefs around and oppress the beliefs of others.
    If you're honestly trying to argue that atheists are oppressing Christians because they got a few spots to put up signs in one city then you don't really know what oppression is.
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    Re: Atheist messages displace CA park nativity scenes

    Quote Originally Posted by digsbe View Post
    I don't see how these are equal. Setting up a nativity does not equate with calling an entire group of people's beliefs myth. The nativity scene is also not set up as a form of malice or confrontation like these posters are. they would be equal if a Christian group tried to crowed around a Jewish or Muslim display and called their beliefs myths publicly.
    I thought the dickish part was because they called Santa Claus a myth. It's a crappy thing to do to kids.
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    Re: Atheist messages displace CA park nativity scenes

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    For not claiming to have any faith these dicks sure do want to spread their beliefs around and oppress the beliefs of others.
    See, this is the heart of the silliness of this whole debate.

    How does putting up a display about your own belief "oppress" the beliefs of others?

    It's a lottery system designed to decide objectively who gets the space - because only Christians getting the space would be unfair. Right?

    Here's the big picture - why do we treat these public displays like we need them to legitimize our beliefs? If we don't have an official symbol somewhere on our local courthouse, that means we're oppressed? It's absurd.
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    Re: Atheist messages displace CA park nativity scenes

    Quote Originally Posted by digsbe View Post
    I don't see how these are equal. Setting up a nativity does not equate with calling an entire group of people's beliefs myth. The nativity scene is also not set up as a form of malice or confrontation like these posters are. they would be equal if a Christian group tried to crowed around a Jewish or Muslim display and called their beliefs myths publicly.
    It is the same thing, it is speech about your particular belief.
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    Re: Atheist messages displace CA park nativity scenes

    Quote Originally Posted by digsbe View Post
    I don't see how these are equal. Setting up a nativity does not equate with calling an entire group of people's beliefs myth. The nativity scene is also not set up as a form of malice or confrontation like these posters are. they would be equal if a Christian group tried to crowed around a Jewish or Muslim display and called their beliefs myths publicly.
    That's true. The problem comes when other religions are excluded though. Hence the lottery solution.

    It's weird that you see setting up a Christian display as innocent, yet setting up a different one is "oppression." Wouldn't that make a Christian display "oppression" to non-Christians?
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    Re: Atheist messages displace CA park nativity scenes

    The dickish part comes from the atheist messages being combative, as in attacking Christianity and other religions. It's just messages to drag down religion, is all.

    You don't see nativity scenes that attack atheistic messages, now do you?

    You see, this kind of stuff is what helps with the impression that atheists are dicks. It really does. It's the condescending and combative tone, fueled with disrespect, that really aids in giving them a bad rap.

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    Re: Atheist messages displace CA park nativity scenes

    Quote Originally Posted by Wake View Post
    The dickish part comes from the atheist messages being combative, as in attacking Christianity and other religions. It's just messages to drag down religion, is all.

    You don't see nativity scenes that attack atheistic messages, now do you?
    Uh, yes. Obviously a nativity scene proclaims a message that contradicts atheism or other religions.

    I'd say a nativity scene, in an official setting, "drags down" other religions if those other religions are excluded.

    You see, this kind of stuff is what helps with the impression that atheists are dicks. It really does. It's the condescending and combative tone, fueled with disrespect, that really aids in giving them a bad rap.
    I hear a condescending and combative tone, fueled with disrespect, from Christians all the time too.
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    Re: Atheist messages displace CA park nativity scenes

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    Source: Atheist messages displace CA park nativity scenes - Yahoo! News

    The article goes in detail on how it seems atheists are trying to crowd out the Christian nativity scenes in that area. In order to be able to even put up a sign, you need to win in that lottery, but now it seems atheists got all but three of the spaces. Odd, huh?

    What do you guys think of this?
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    Re: Atheist messages displace CA park nativity scenes

    Quote Originally Posted by Wake View Post
    ...The article goes in detail on how it seems atheists are trying to crowd out the Christian nativity scenes in that area. In order to be able to even put up a sign, you need to win in that lottery, but now it seems atheists got all but three of the spaces. Odd, huh?

    What do you guys think of this?
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