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    Re: Romney Accidentally Crashes Gay Vets Date

    Quote Originally Posted by misterman View Post
    Democrats take a stand for the freedom of individuals to make their own moral judgments.
    if only that were true....

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    Re: Romney Accidentally Crashes Gay Vets Date

    Romney might change his view some day:

    MR. RUSSERT: You, you raise the issue of color of skin. In 1954 the U.S. Supreme Court, Brown vs. Board of Education, desegregated all our public schools. In 1964 civil rights laws giving full equality to black Americans. And yet it wasn't till 1978 that the Mormon church decided to allow blacks to participate fully. Here was the headlines in the papers in June of '78. "Mormon Church Dissolves Black Bias. Citing new revelation from God, the president of the Mormon Church decreed for the first time black males could fully participate in church rites." You were 31 years old, and your church was excluding blacks from full participation. Didn't you think, "What am I doing part of an organization that is viewed by many as a racist organization?"

    GOV. ROMNEY: I'm very proud of my faith, and it's the faith of my fathers, and I certainly believe that it is a, a faith--well, it's true and I love my faith. And I'm not going to distance myself in any way from my faith. .... And so those are my fundamental core beliefs, and I was anxious to see a change in, in my church.

    I can remember when, when I heard about the change being made. I was driving home from, I think, it was law school, but I was driving home, going through the Fresh Pond rotary in Cambridge, Massachusetts. I heard it on the radio, and I pulled over and, and literally wept. Even at this day it's emotional, and so it's very deep and fundamental in my, in my life and my most core beliefs that all people are children of God. My faith has always told me that. My faith has also always told me that, in the eyes of God, every individual was, was merited the, the fullest degree of happiness in the hereafter, and I, and I had no question in my mind that African-Americans and, and blacks generally, would have every right and every benefit in the hereafter that anyone else had and that God is no respecter of persons.

    MR. RUSSERT: But it was wrong for your faith to exclude it for as long as it did.

    GOV. ROMNEY: I've told you exactly where I stand. My view is that there--there's, there's no discrimination in the eyes of God, and I could not have been more pleased than to see the change that occurred.

    All gay rights folks need to do is get the Mormon church to accept gays in worship. Maybe "new" revelation from God can agree with what Romney's always secretly thought that "there's no discrimination in the eyes of God".
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    Re: Romney Accidentally Crashes Gay Vets Date

    Quote Originally Posted by Viktyr Korimir View Post
    It's nothing to do with his beliefs. It's just that it was terribly gauche, and he didn't have the good sense to apologize.
    apologize for what? The article is misleading, did you watch the video? It sure doesn't look like Romney approached these two men to solicit their support for repealing the gay marriage law - the gay veteran specifically asks Romney what his stance is on gay marriage and Romney gave him his answer in a pretty civil way. All I see here is a sad, obvious attempt at spin. I mean, christ, unicorn booty dot com? Really?

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    Re: Romney Accidentally Crashes Gay Vets Date

    Quote Originally Posted by Tigger View Post
    At least they are willing to take a stand against something, unlike the Democrats.
    If you are looking for a partisn debate you came to the wrong poster.

    The Democrats are too weak to take a stand against big business, the rich they fear private organizations and big businessand the rich
    The Republicans support private organizations and big business and the rich.

    I do not fear big business, private organizations or the rich.
    I do not support big business ,private organizations or the rich.

    However there is a bigger discrepincy in the right wing issue than the left small but it is there.
    Nobody has noticed,that tax revenue goes to big business, private organizations and the rich.
    Yet the Relublicans who support these want a smaller government?
    WHY???


    Defence contracts goes to private organizations
    Medicare, and medicade goes to insurance companies a private organization
    Government housing gets subsidies from the government run by private Real Estate organizations
    Big Agriculture inc private organizations get subsidies from the government
    Oil companies gets reserch grants from the government a private organization for alternitive fuel while shouting drill baby drill.

    That is quite a chunk of tax revenue going out to private organizations , but when it comes to public what do they get, budget cuts, less money, salary cuts and jobs going overseas.

    Not much of an exchange if you ask me, and for the record I'm damn sick and tired of these poor little rich guys playing the pity card.
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    Re: Romney Accidentally Crashes Gay Vets Date

    presluc, I'm not a Republican. I'm an Authoritarian and an Ultra-Conservative. In my mind BOTH parties are too Liberal in their spending of Government monies. I'd just rather see the money go to corporations who will do something with it than to worthless sacks of **** who spend it on cigarettes, booze, and the like.

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    Re: Romney Accidentally Crashes Gay Vets Date

    Quote Originally Posted by Tigger View Post
    presluc, I'm not a Republican. I'm an Authoritarian and an Ultra-Conservative. In my mind BOTH parties are too Liberal in their spending of Government monies. I'd just rather see the money go to corporations who will do something with it than to worthless sacks of **** who spend it on cigarettes, booze, and the like.
    What has corporations done with money from the government?

    Hire more Americans NO, they hire cheap foreign labor.
    Pay more taxes the rich gets tax cuts, after that there are so many loopholes in the corporations taxes it looks like swiss cheese.
    Are the American workers doing better? NO
    Is education doing better? NO
    Is the debt going down ? NO
    Is the American government receiving more tax revenue?NO
    Is the economjy better or worse? see previous questions.
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    Re: Romney Accidentally Crashes Gay Vets Date

    Quote Originally Posted by presluc View Post
    What has corporations done with money from the government?
    Made a PROFIT. Which is more than most citizens do with their welfare checks.

    If the government is stupid enough not to put restrictions on how that money must be used, that's a Governmental issue, not a Corporate issue.

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    Re: Romney Accidentally Crashes Gay Vets Date

    I suspect this story was concocted by the Romney team as it is highly favorable to him among anti-gay Republican voters.

    Otherwise it is a non-story, no different than if a Democrat were to while campaigning explain he/she will protect a woman's right to an abortion - not realizing he is speaking to a Southern Baptist minister.

    The attempts in this election to make scandle out of nothing is really going to become quite sickening. All the Republican candidates now are anti-gay rights, so what's the point of the story other than that?

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    Re: Romney Accidentally Crashes Gay Vets Date

    Quote Originally Posted by presluc View Post
    Just a hunch, but I think that more people are sick and tired of unemployment for unskilled workers, less opportunities for new College grads, outsourceing jobs, rich tax cuts and a bad economy.

    People on Main street are sick and tired of struggleing to live while the rich and wall street get a pass.
    Average workers are definatly sick and tired of whatching the cost of living go up while wages remain stagnant.
    That may all be true, but it is relevant only in the capacity that one might argue that dissing the gays is a means of garnering support from heteros who comprise 98% of the citizenry and, though they may indeed be pissed off about all of the above, are also irratated by the seemingly incessant whining of the gay community about gay marriage at a time in history when there are much more important matters which need attention.
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    Re: Romney Accidentally Crashes Gay Vets Date

    Quote Originally Posted by Sig View Post
    That may all be true, but it is relevant only in the capacity that one might argue that dissing the gays is a means of garnering support from heteros who comprise 98% of the citizenry and, though they may indeed be pissed off about all of the above, are also irratated by the seemingly incessant whining of the gay community about gay marriage at a time in history when there are much more important matters which need attention.
    Yeah, they said that about blacks incessantly whining about civil rights too.
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