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Occupy Protesters Have Blocked Access to Three West-Coast Ports

ReverendHellh0und said:
But is it just the 1% they want to tax more? What about the 5%?....
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wait...so now you're saying they claim to be the 94%? :lamo

...I missed those calls, can you link them?
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um....you want me to prove to you that one of the demands of many OWSers is to reinstate Glass-Steagall?? are you joking??
 
Tigger said:
Scabs aren't legitimate workers. Never have been and never will be. Hell, they aren't even humans.
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No free market?
 
ecofarm said:
No free market?
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Once the company agrees that a job function is Unionized, that's it. The simple fact that they are no longer able to get the work done because they are unwilling to deal fairly and properly with the Unionized workforce should not give them the right to suddenly bring in non-Union workers to do that work. If they didn't want to accept Unioned workers, they shouldn't have allowed the group to organize in the first place.
 
Wake said:
Imo, then, I think that's going a bit too far.
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They are taking jobs which they are neither qualified for, nor living up to the expectations of the job (including Union membership).
 
Thunder said:
so, what would you like to see done to scabs?
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I would like to see companies be barred from using them. If a company does use them, I would want the Union to ensure those individuals could never get a Union job with that Union.
 
ReverendHellh0und said:
They also want the government to tax people more, they also want the government to pay for thier student loans, they want the government to give us single payer, they want, want, want.

Though they barely blame the government for giving thebanks bailouts, but instead blame the banks for taking it, no strings attached.
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Just because you disagree with some of the sentiment of OWS, I don't think you should write them off completely. I think that many things that they are calling for (campaign finance reform, intelligent regulation of the bank industry, etc.) are perfectly reasonable. I think the idea that OWS is looking for handouts is a narrative that has been spun by their opponents, and does not accurately convey their priorities or agenda.

And I think they DO blame the government for the bailouts. They blame the banks primarily for causing the financial crisis we are in now.
 
nathanj63 said:
Just because you disagree with some of the sentiment of OWS, I don't think you should write them off completely. I think that many things that they are calling for (campaign finance reform, intelligent regulation of the bank industry, etc.) are perfectly reasonable. I think the idea that OWS is looking for handouts is a narrative that has been spun by their opponents, and does not accurately convey their priorities or agenda.
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I like some of it's musings, including the original intent of adbusters. However, it's become a left wing cause du jour.


And I think they DO blame the government for the bailouts. They blame the banks primarily for causing the financial crisis we are in now.
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Not really, they pay lipservice to the government, and blaming banks for taking advantage of rules the government set in place, seems misplaced.


Kinda like blaming the kid for eating the candy bar your wife gave the kid right before bedtime.
 
Tigger said:
Once the company agrees that a job function is Unionized, that's it. The simple fact that they are no longer able to get the work done because they are unwilling to deal fairly and properly with the Unionized workforce should not give them the right to suddenly bring in non-Union workers to do that work. If they didn't want to accept Unioned workers, they shouldn't have allowed the group to organize in the first place.
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You are a great example as to why the Good Reverend's shop is non union. :prof
 
If the right wing would just admit that most of the Occupy people are just average Americans protesting with a different view than theirs that is not radical but also in many other Americans views as well, i would be happy with that.
 
FFDP666 said:
If the right wing would just admit that most of the Occupy people are just average Americans protesting with a different view than theirs that is not radical but also in many other Americans views as well, i would be happy with that.
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I've been to zucotti park sir, This Libertarian can not concede any such thing. :lol:
 
ReverendHellh0und said:
You are a great example as to why the Good Reverend's shop is non union. :prof
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Rev, that's fine. I am not in favor of forcing any group to Unionize. Hell, until about 4 years ago I'd have been 100% on your side. In fact I've worked for the company that currently employs me in all three capacities.... Contractor, Non-Union Employee and now as a Union Employee. Of the three this one has been the best experience so far as I'm concerned. The Engineering and Design departments of this company Unionized in December of 2007. Why would a bunch of degree-holding professionals want to join a Union?, you ask? Very simple.... because we realized that this multi-billion dollar company didn't give a rat's ass about us as individuals. In fact with the reorganization they were about to undertake at that time they would have been asking us to do MORE work for LESS money and benefits, and likely moving a large number of our job functions to already Unionized employees in another geographic area. By Unionizing we kept (or bettered) our pay, got actually working rules so that the company couldn't screw us over, and kept our jobs. We didn't get everything we wanted, but we got enough of it to make it worthwhile.

For example.... When the snowstorm clubbed us at the end of October, I worked a 101 hour week. Under the old rules I'd have gotten paid either 101 hours of straight time or 40 hours of regular time and 61 hours of 1.5x OT, depending on how generous the company chose to be. Because we're Union I got paid 17.5 hours of 2x OT (Sunday) and 83.5 hours at 1.5x OT because it was a storm situation.
 
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