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    Re: Occupy Protesters Have Blocked Access to Three West-Coast Ports

    Quote Originally Posted by ReverendHellh0und View Post
    It's in this thread. /facepalm
    yeah..where? I didn't see it.

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    Re: Occupy Protesters Have Blocked Access to Three West-Coast Ports

    Quote Originally Posted by Thunder View Post
    are you saying these dock workers don't do work when they go to work??

    what are you talking about??
    No. I'm saying that if these workers were to show up and them allow themselves to be restrained from doing their jobs by a bunch of panty-waisted protestors that they could and should be fired for failing to do their jobs.

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    Re: Occupy Protesters Have Blocked Access to Three West-Coast Ports

    Quote Originally Posted by Tigger View Post
    No. I'm saying that if these workers were to show up and them allow themselves to be restrained from doing their jobs by a bunch of panty-waisted protestors that they could and should be fired for failing to do their jobs.
    could be? I doubt it.

    should be? that's your opinion.

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    Re: Occupy Protesters Have Blocked Access to Three West-Coast Ports

    I would be seriously pissed if they prevented me from getting to work and getting paid. How preventing blue-collar workers from going to work is going to win friends and influence people....

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    Re: Occupy Protesters Have Blocked Access to Three West-Coast Ports

    Quote Originally Posted by Goshin View Post
    I would be seriously pissed if they prevented me from getting to work and getting paid. How preventing blue-collar workers from going to work is going to win friends and influence people....
    finally!!!

    we had to wait all this time for a little common sense. thank you Goshin.

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    Re: Occupy Protesters Have Blocked Access to Three West-Coast Ports

    Quote Originally Posted by Thunder View Post
    many of the dock workers support these actions. Goldman Sachs owns the shipping company.
    But if many dock workers support the actions (which I do not doubt) why not go through the proper channels and get the union to support it? I am not sure exactly how the ILWU works, but I'm assuming they would have some type of vote. Why not work with the unions if they are supposedly in solidarity with the port workers?

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    Re: Occupy Protesters Have Blocked Access to Three West-Coast Ports

    Quote Originally Posted by Khayembii Communique View Post
    This letter is signed by 5 truckers. If you read different articles about the shuttdown (which I have), you can easily find 5 articles in which different truckers express displeasure in the protesters action. And if the truckers were in solidarity, why did the protestors have to physically block the truckers?

    I just think that the protesters should have worked with the longshoreman union, and they should have spent some time and talked to the non-unionized truckers and worked with them as well. If they are concerned about the truckers then they should have spent some time learning about their grievances, helped the truckers organize if they wanted to, and allowed the truckers and the longshoreman to lead this action, not the occupiers.

    In the end, you should notice that no one sent any police in to stop them. Why? Because they knew that the protestors were shooting themselves in the foot, so why should they stop them? I am very sympathetic to OWS and I think this action was just stupid, so you can imagine what how people who are not already sympathetic feel.
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    Re: Occupy Protesters Have Blocked Access to Three West-Coast Ports

    Quote Originally Posted by Thunder View Post
    got any evidence any dock workers will lose a day of pay?
    Here there is:

    "A small number of workers were able to get paid yesterday for at least part of the day, but most were not," said Craig Merrilees, the ILWU spokesman. "They were turned away and told to go back home by the employers and told that they would not be paid."

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    Re: Occupy Protesters Have Blocked Access to Three West-Coast Ports

    This letter is signed by 5 truckers. If you read different articles about the shuttdown (which I have), you can easily find 5 articles in which different truckers express displeasure in the protesters action. And if the truckers were in solidarity, why did the protestors have to physically block the truckers?
    I found the ILWU's statement saying that it isn't vetted by their union. I think the rank and file are very divided on this issue, as I've heard and read conflicting stories about the extent of the support/opposition of this action by the truckers and longshoremen.

    Anyways, I think it's important and telling of the state of the country and of unions nationwide that an essentially workerist action was undertaken by non-unionized workers and allies in an activist manner. FWIW I support the action on this basis but also recognize its limited scope and activist character. I think we're going to see a lot more activist and worker-activist actions in the next few months/years as rank-and-file union members, non-union workers and (perhaps more predominantly) other elements converge on economic and labor actions.
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    Re: Occupy Protesters Have Blocked Access to Three West-Coast Ports

    Quote Originally Posted by Thunder View Post
    finally!!!

    we had to wait all this time for a little common sense. thank you Goshin.
    Ive been saying this **** across two threads.......
    "I condemn the ideology of White Supremacy and Nazism. They are thugs, criminals, and repugnant, and are against what I believe to be "The American Way" "
    Thus my obligatory condemnation of White supremacy will now be in every post, lest I be accused of supporting it because I didn't mention it specifically every time I post.

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