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81% Celebrate Christmas As A Religious Holiday

Thrilla said:
.. that's a pretty hefty guarantee there dude... and one that is most likely false.
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I highly doubt it's false. The thing people like most about christmas is giving and receiving gifts. Jesus is just a convenient gimmick when it comes to Christmas.
 
Kal'Stang said:
Oh look, another post attacking the "conservative" base when the topic has nothing to do with conservatism....or any other political party at that.

As for the OP, yes people are attacking Christmas. Anytime any group wants to get rid of X-mas decorations from any public place it is an attack on Christmas. Anytime that a teacher is not allowed to say "Merry Christmas" it is an attack on Christmas. Now you can say that I'm useing the wrong word or that I'm overreacting or that I'm using hyperbole, but just remember, what you consider an attack and what I consider an attack may be two different things.

Nativity scene in Texas under attack

The following pic gotten from Freedom from Religion website...

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And this was just a quick search.
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News flash...it is conservatives in general and the religious conservative base in particular that is pronouncing this so called war on Christmas. It is another invented wedge issue that has little or no basis in fact.

You are free to consider whatever you want an "attack." I am free to point out how that so called "attack" is not based on any facts and is a falacious argument. It is an argument soley devised to energize people against a mythical "them." Your supposed proof of this said "attack" is a demand letter sent from an obscure group to have a creche removed. Really...again the proof is wanting to say the least. On the other hand, I think you are attacking Christmas by using the X-mas term. You are trying to remove Christ from Christmas. This is how rediculous this argument is becoming.

Your stated proof just goes to further my argument that this so-called "attack" or "War" on Christmas is based on little or no evidence. It is made controversy being used by conservatives and in particular religious conservatives to advance their cause.
 
ChuckBerry said:
Translation: the public square must be atheist. You can be religious behind closed doors.
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Nope. Not what ACLU believes at all, though I see where you got that misunderstanding.
 
Kal'Stang said:
As for the OP, yes people are attacking Christmas. Anytime any group wants to get rid of X-mas decorations from any public place it is an attack on Christmas.
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Not if the public place is a place that signifies the display is an official government one, such as in a courthouse or something like that. In that case, it could (but still isn't always) a forbidden establishment of religion.
 
Kal'Stang said:
I call BS. Thier goal is not to avoid the "vague appearance of an entanglement between government and religion." Thier goal is to get rid of religion period.
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I call a much larger, steamier pile of BS.
 
Thrilla said:
I don't find that a nativity scene ( or other Christmas symbol ), in a public square, necessarily equates to government endorsement of Christianity...
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What if all other religions displays in that square are forbidden? How can you possibly say that's freedom of religion?
 
Kal'Stang said:
I call BS. Thier goal is not to avoid the "vague appearance of an entanglement between government and religion." Thier goal is to get rid of religion period.
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I'm calling BS too -- on the basis that there's simply no way such a goal could be achieved in America without a Constitutional amendment. They're going to have to settle for eliminating ... what did I call it ... oh yeah, even the vague appearance of an entanglement between government and religion.
 
A war on Christmas ? No, just the conservative memo writers ploy to portray the liberal minded of being God-less.

It's just smoke and mirrors to lure ultra- conservatives to the Republican party.
 
Parrish said:
A war on Christmas ? No, just the conservative memo writers ploy to portray the liberal minded of being God-less.

It's just smoke and mirrors to lure ultra- conservatives to the Republican party.
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Exactly the point I was making earlier. The best evidence they come up with is some guy unsuccesfully suing his home owners association and an obscure group sending a demand letter. They (being conservatives) pick an emotional issue. Latch upon the thinnest of evidence. Blow that thin evidence completely out of proportion and turn into some sort of crisis or outrage. They then use the crisis or outrage to devise a dichotomy of us vs them. Then uses that us vs them argument to energize social action. Sounds very familiar....I know I have read this formula before....I leave it to everyone to guess.
 
SirNegroIII said:
No. You can be religious however openly you want. You're just not supposed to put up a nativity scene in front of the state house or any other government establishment. Seems pretty fair to me.
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Let's make an important distinction that's missing here.

If a private citizen wants to go put up a nativity scene in a public place, why not? It's a public place, like a sidewalk, where anyone is supposed to be free to speak, and express religious beliefs.

However, if its the ONLY display allowed, that's the difference. That turns it from just some random person's display into an official government one. And, of course, if the government is the one that puts it up and pays for it (and no other) it's obviously an official one. That's establishment of religion.

Some people here don't understand the difference, and that's where they get this idiotic "war on Christmas" thing.
 
I celebrate Christmas, have all my live but how do I know I celebrate it religiously or what qualifies as doing so?

for some years we decorated with a nativity set? does that count?
for some years there was an angel on top the tree not a star, does that count?
 
TacticalEvilDan said:
Did you actually read what I said, or did you decide that what I wrote was irrelevant and repetition was a sure-fire way to win the argument?
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I read what you wrote. The fact that it may be impossible to eliminate does not mean that people won't try to eliminate it. As such the "impossibility" of it is irrelevant. Those banners prove that.
 
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smb said:
See...those mean guys have banners....really. That is your proof??????????? weak.
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Sorry that it is not enough for you to see that at least that group wants to get rid of religion.
 
Originally, the so called war on Christmas was a conservative idea meant to play up to their persecution complex. Ironically, many people have been actually rather amused by the idiots getting all red faced over this made up war and have taken to gleefully egging them on. It really is hilarious observing people having a snit fit over losing their monopoly on a holiday they originally stole from another belief system.
 
lpast said:
More Americans than ever say they celebrate the upcoming holiday of Christmas as a religious one.
A new Rasmussen Reports national telephone survey finds that 88% of American Adults say they celebrate Christmas, and 81% of this group celebrate it as a religious holiday. Just 16% of those celebrants regard it as a secular holiday.


The tide is finally turning and people are once again realizing what Christmas is...I believe this HUGE change in public opinon is because Americans finally realize the handful that attack christmas is for a personal agenda and it has absolutely no bearing on taking anyones rights or infringeing on anyones rights....


81% Celebrate Christmas As A Religious Holiday - Rasmussen Reports™
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I have traveled all over the United states and have never seen Christmas "attacked". In my city churches are celebrating, businesses are playing Carols and religious events and hyper consumerism as well are all under way.

Theaters have Christmas programs and just today I was in one of the most progressive cites in the US ... the organic co op had fresh wreaths and candy canes and churches were playing music and advertising services to celebrate the birth of Christ and live manger scenes on Christmas Eve.

There is no war on Christmas ... you have been indoctrinated by Bill O'Reilly. Is he still running the War on Christmas show?

I do not hold any personal blind faith in any super natural belief system yet I support each and every person's right to celebrate.

I am out and about all over and have never seen evidence of a war on Christmas ... do you have any you tube clips of this war?
 
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The Gretch who Saved the War on Christmas!

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Oh my, Fox News and conservatives have officially turned this country retarded.

Guys get a ****ing book or something. Jesus (there is no war in using Jesus' name in vain apparently lawl).
 
whysoserious said:
Oh my, Fox News and conservatives have officially turned this country retarded.

Guys get a ****ing book or something. Jesus (there is no war in using Jesus' name in vain apparently lawl).
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so how long have you held this hatred for conservatives?
 
Thrilla said:
so how long have you held this hatred for conservatives?
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Since they started saying that there is a War on Christmas (take a trip the mall, look around, and laugh with me at that statement), since Fox News and Rush Limbaugh became number 1, since education became liberal, and since they have become the party that plays the victim card as often as possible. I don't dislike individual republicans or conservatives, but the movement as a whole is quite humorous to watch.
 
Kal'Stang said:
Sorry that it is not enough for you to see that at least that group wants to get rid of religion.
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Apology not accepted.

There are many groups that want to do a lot of things. There are groups all over the country that want to overthrow the government. Does that mean we are in a civil war?

There are many groups that espouse racial superiority. Does that mean we are in the middle of a race war?

There are many groups that want to get rid of gambling. Is there a war against gambling?

There is even a group out there that espouses we live on a flat planet. Is there a war against astronomy?

The supposed attacks on Christmas are a ruse. The purpose of which is to incite emotional responses that do not have any relation to reality.
 
lpast said:
More Americans than ever say they celebrate the upcoming holiday of Christmas as a religious one.
A new Rasmussen Reports national telephone survey finds that 88% of American Adults say they celebrate Christmas, and 81% of this group celebrate it as a religious holiday. Just 16% of those celebrants regard it as a secular holiday.


The tide is finally turning and people are once again realizing what Christmas is...I believe this HUGE change in public opinon is because Americans finally realize the handful that attack christmas is for a personal agenda and it has absolutely no bearing on taking anyones rights or infringeing on anyones rights....


81% Celebrate Christmas As A Religious Holiday - Rasmussen Reports™
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Why is it necessary to have Christianity as the supreme religion, that not saying Christmas is declared as war on this particular holiday and religion when other religions are not acknowledged to the same extent?
 
Kal'Stang said:
Sorry that it is not enough for you to see that at least that group wants to get rid of religion.
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That group's membership is at 16,600(source wiki), which is about .00053 % of the US population if I did my math right. They work within the courts against what it sees as first amendment violations(separation of church and state as it is referred to). In their list of accomplishments, they have 1 that relates to christmas, which is that they stopped a state using public funds to put up a nativity scene(source). Note the very important word "public". Public funds going to finance a religious display is a clear violation of the first amendment establishment clause.

Note that no one is seriously going after public christmas tree displays(this group just asked and was granted the right to put up a sign of their own for the holidays next to the public christmas tree(and their sign was retarded) in Washington state. The national christmas tree is perfectly fine, as was Obama's very christian message recently. The war on christmas is bull****.
 
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