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    Re: 81% Celebrate Christmas As A Religious Holiday

    The only reason people think the ACLU is anti-Christian is because it's mostly Christian fundamentalists who try to use government power to proclaim their faith in the public square, so when the ACLU comes in to defend the Wall of Separation, yeah, of course they look "anti-Christian". That's the people they have to fight against most often!

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    Re: 81% Celebrate Christmas As A Religious Holiday

    Quote Originally Posted by RadicalModerate View Post
    The only reason people think the ACLU is anti-Christian is because it's mostly Christian fundamentalists who try to use government power to proclaim their faith in the public square, so when the ACLU comes in to defend the Wall of Separation, yeah, of course they look "anti-Christian". That's the people they have to fight against most often!
    Exactly.

    The ACLU does defend Christians when they are the victims. But usually they're on the other side.

    And some of the claims about the ACLU's activities are simply lies.
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    Re: 81% Celebrate Christmas As A Religious Holiday

    Quote Originally Posted by lpast View Post
    More Americans than ever say they celebrate the upcoming holiday of Christmas as a religious one.
    A new Rasmussen Reports national telephone survey finds that 88% of American Adults say they celebrate Christmas, and 81% of this group celebrate it as a religious holiday. Just 16% of those celebrants regard it as a secular holiday.


    The tide is finally turning and people are once again realizing what Christmas is...I believe this HUGE change in public opinon is because Americans finally realize the handful that attack christmas is for a personal agenda and it has absolutely no bearing on taking anyones rights or infringeing on anyones rights....


    81% Celebrate Christmas As A Religious Holiday - Rasmussen Reports™
    81% of people claim to celebrate Christmas as a religious holiday, is what it should read as. Do 81% of the people go to Church on Christmas? Doubtful. People love to pretend they're more devout than they are.

    That being said, why the **** do I care? I celebrate Christmas as an American holiday, not in any religious context. But I go to church that day...which probably puts me ahead of some of that 81%.
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    Re: 81% Celebrate Christmas As A Religious Holiday

    Yes, the ACLU will defend either side. I've tried to explain that to people before, but there is so much anti-ACLU press.
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    Re: 81% Celebrate Christmas As A Religious Holiday

    Quote Originally Posted by Wessexman View Post
    The war on Christmas stuff is tedious. The problem is it is reacting to even more tedious nonsense in an inevitable, and probably necessary way.
    Depends on how you define that clause. It is clear that the ACLU position, that even the most inexpensive and small shows of acknowledgement of Christianity, like municipal Christmas trees or signs, are prohibited by this clause, is not what those who wrote or ratified it thought it meant. Fisher Ames, was the one who wrote it and he was one of the most conservative of the Founding Fathers. By 1805 he was predicting that democratic liberty would destroy the US as any worthwhile, moral nation. It is unlikely he agreed with the ACLU's position, as his writings on the subject show.
    This is yet another conservative talking point that has no basis in fact. The facts are clear that there were many and diverse opinions as why certain things were added to, or left out of the Constitution. As a point of law it only holds, at best, marginal significance. In the case to the establishment clause it holds almost no weight. It matters little what the founding fathers thought about any one individual issue. What does matter is what they thought the best system to address these issues going into the future should be. They clearly intended to set up a system whereby the people living in the current time of any controversy or issue are the best to answer those questions. If they had wanted to set up a rigid system in which only there current opinions and beliefs mattered they would have set up a rigid system, they did not. They purposefully set up a system that allowed the people in the current times to decide upon these issues as they affect them. They drew certain bounderies and framework to work within. I would suggest to you that it would not matter to them what there opinion on any one topic would be. What many of them believed to be important was that they set up a system which could work in the long term.

    That being said we now live with that system. A system which has taken a look at the issues involved and made their decisions. Regardless of whether or not you agree with the current interpretation it is accepted law. You are welcome to disagree. You are welcome to try and change it. You are not welcome to act as if it does not exist or that the views that it expresses are somehow invalid because they do not match up to someone's opinion 230 years ago.

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    Re: 81% Celebrate Christmas As A Religious Holiday

    Quote Originally Posted by Kal'Stang View Post
    I read what you wrote. The fact that it may be impossible to eliminate does not mean that people won't try to eliminate it. As such the "impossibility" of it is irrelevant. Those banners prove that.
    Are you worried about them proving that god doesn't exist? That isn't possible either, and yet I'm sure that doesn't stop them from looking for a new angle or argument.

    Either way, I called BS on the basis that your portrayal of their goals simply isn't possible in America, so whether you opt to concern yourself with the impossible or not my point still stands.
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    Re: 81% Celebrate Christmas As A Religious Holiday

    Quote Originally Posted by lpast View Post
    Going after Christmas tree displays and nativity scenes has definitely slowed down...public opinion has gone UP in big numbers supporting christmas and Merry Christmas etc...as public opinion changed the constant yearly opposition has decreased
    Its an issue that should never have been an issue in the first place...no one is using christmas to badger anyone else..
    Christmas was around before they were all born...
    Again please provide some proof to your claims. The poll you quoted in the OP does nto make that argument. It offers no context to the poll. Is this an increase or decrease. Where is your proof, other than supposed common sense, that this has somehow occurred.

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    Re: 81% Celebrate Christmas As A Religious Holiday

    Quote Originally Posted by misterman View Post
    Let's make an important distinction that's missing here.

    If a private citizen wants to go put up a nativity scene in a public place, why not? It's a public place, like a sidewalk, where anyone is supposed to be free to speak, and express religious beliefs.

    However, if its the ONLY display allowed, that's the difference. That turns it from just some random person's display into an official government one. And, of course, if the government is the one that puts it up and pays for it (and no other) it's obviously an official one. That's establishment of religion.

    Some people here don't understand the difference, and that's where they get this idiotic "war on Christmas" thing.
    Yep. For some though it doesn't matter. For some they believe any display with religious undertones is wrong. The problem is not that there is a manger scene in the local park. The problem would be if a menorah wasn't allowed also.

    Merry Christmas.

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    Re: 81% Celebrate Christmas As A Religious Holiday

    First there was the War on Christmas. Now the sequel: The War on the War on Christmas. As usual, the evil liberals having established there are no headquarters or organizations which specifically declared a war on Christmas so therefore declare there not to be one. Despite the evidence of the removal of religions symbols, religous language, religious songs and the pervasive fear of offending someone by saying "Merry Christmas", there is no real war. Nothing has really changed at all.

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