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    Re: 81% Celebrate Christmas As A Religious Holiday

    Quote Originally Posted by Thrilla View Post
    I don't find that a nativity scene ( or other Christmas symbol ), in a public square, necessarily equates to government endorsement of Christianity...
    What if all other religions displays in that square are forbidden? How can you possibly say that's freedom of religion?
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    Re: 81% Celebrate Christmas As A Religious Holiday

    Quote Originally Posted by Kal'Stang View Post
    I call BS. Thier goal is not to avoid the "vague appearance of an entanglement between government and religion." Thier goal is to get rid of religion period.
    I'm calling BS too -- on the basis that there's simply no way such a goal could be achieved in America without a Constitutional amendment. They're going to have to settle for eliminating ... what did I call it ... oh yeah, even the vague appearance of an entanglement between government and religion.
    I'm already gearing up for Finger Vote 2014.

    Just for reference, means my post was a giant steaming pile of sarcasm.

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    Re: 81% Celebrate Christmas As A Religious Holiday

    A war on Christmas ? No, just the conservative memo writers ploy to portray the liberal minded of being God-less.

    It's just smoke and mirrors to lure ultra- conservatives to the Republican party.

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    Re: 81% Celebrate Christmas As A Religious Holiday

    Quote Originally Posted by Parrish View Post
    A war on Christmas ? No, just the conservative memo writers ploy to portray the liberal minded of being God-less.

    It's just smoke and mirrors to lure ultra- conservatives to the Republican party.
    Exactly the point I was making earlier. The best evidence they come up with is some guy unsuccesfully suing his home owners association and an obscure group sending a demand letter. They (being conservatives) pick an emotional issue. Latch upon the thinnest of evidence. Blow that thin evidence completely out of proportion and turn into some sort of crisis or outrage. They then use the crisis or outrage to devise a dichotomy of us vs them. Then uses that us vs them argument to energize social action. Sounds very familiar....I know I have read this formula before....I leave it to everyone to guess.

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    Re: 81% Celebrate Christmas As A Religious Holiday

    Quote Originally Posted by SirNegroIII View Post
    No. You can be religious however openly you want. You're just not supposed to put up a nativity scene in front of the state house or any other government establishment. Seems pretty fair to me.
    Let's make an important distinction that's missing here.

    If a private citizen wants to go put up a nativity scene in a public place, why not? It's a public place, like a sidewalk, where anyone is supposed to be free to speak, and express religious beliefs.

    However, if its the ONLY display allowed, that's the difference. That turns it from just some random person's display into an official government one. And, of course, if the government is the one that puts it up and pays for it (and no other) it's obviously an official one. That's establishment of religion.

    Some people here don't understand the difference, and that's where they get this idiotic "war on Christmas" thing.
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    Re: 81% Celebrate Christmas As A Religious Holiday

    Quote Originally Posted by misterman View Post
    I call a much larger, steamier pile of BS.
    Quote Originally Posted by TacticalEvilDan View Post
    I'm calling BS too -- on the basis that there's simply no way such a goal could be achieved in America without a Constitutional amendment. They're going to have to settle for eliminating ... what did I call it ... oh yeah, even the vague appearance of an entanglement between government and religion.
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    Re: 81% Celebrate Christmas As A Religious Holiday

    I celebrate Christmas, have all my live but how do I know I celebrate it religiously or what qualifies as doing so?

    for some years we decorated with a nativity set? does that count?
    for some years there was an angel on top the tree not a star, does that count?
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    Re: 81% Celebrate Christmas As A Religious Holiday

    Quote Originally Posted by Kal'Stang View Post
    See...those mean guys have banners....really. That is your proof??????????? weak.

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    Re: 81% Celebrate Christmas As A Religious Holiday

    Quote Originally Posted by Kal'Stang View Post
    Did you actually read what I said, or did you decide that what I wrote was irrelevant and repetition was a sure-fire way to win the argument?
    I'm already gearing up for Finger Vote 2014.

    Just for reference, means my post was a giant steaming pile of sarcasm.

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    Re: 81% Celebrate Christmas As A Religious Holiday

    Quote Originally Posted by TacticalEvilDan View Post
    Did you actually read what I said, or did you decide that what I wrote was irrelevant and repetition was a sure-fire way to win the argument?
    I read what you wrote. The fact that it may be impossible to eliminate does not mean that people won't try to eliminate it. As such the "impossibility" of it is irrelevant. Those banners prove that.
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